I don’t believe this thing is an absolute, which makes it impossible to pick a winner. lol

Can’t both sides be winners?

Here is a micro picture, my wife and two kids are vaxed and neither has contracted Covid. Myself and two other kids are not vaxed, we all contracted Covid but experienced mild symptoms. My Dad is vaxed, my mom isn’t, neither has contracted Covid to date. He is 86, she is 80.

It appears that there are many factors that go into efficacy of vaccines that time did not permit for perfected trials. If you did what is right for you and it has panned out, be relieved. If not, take what there is to learn from it and govern yourselves accordingly in the future.

I had covid, had shingles, had the flu, had pneumonia. None were especially pleasant but I suspect they strengthened my immune system better than a vaccine would. I dont believe we can trust the information we get from media who get it from CDC. Lady across the street from me got the RNA modifier injection and was hospitalized with covid a couple months later. She lived but barely. Extrapolate what you will from that but at least its not lies.

That could be the understatement of all time.

In my opinion the best defense against infection, whether viral or bacterial, is a strong immune system. Immune systems get strong by fighting off bacteria and viruses on their own. I suppose it could be argued that flu shots strengthen your immune system by introducing a small amount of a particular virus and letting it fight it but I've never thought it necessary.

I've never had a flu shot and have had the flu twice in 65 years. Once was covid back in Jan of 2019 when it first came to America.

I've been regularly introduced to the "germ" of the week by my school age kids and then their kids. I rarely get sick and when I do the symptoms are usually very mild.

I rarely take any medicine, usually just Vitimin C and sometimes Zycam (Vitimin C and Zinc). I took some elderberry syrup when I had covid.

I believe in letting my immune system function as it was intended.

The video of Ezra levant grilling the ceo of Pfizer on the streets of davos is awesome!!

Must see!

When your government sets a certain narrative, then works with media to suppress dissemination of any information contrary to that narrative, what could possibly go wrong?

I dont know whats happening in the ICUs and ERs in the USA right now, but I know whats happening here and its terrifying. Our daughter just spent the last 6-months in hospitals all over Western Canada finishing up her Advanced Care Paramedic degree. She said its the same story in every hospital she worked at. People are dying from heart attacks and strokes. Young people. She said the doctors and nurses know whats causing it. The vaccines.

Senator Ron Johnson has been leading the charge on this issue from the beginning, and he had a bunch of doctors and data experts give testimony recently that was also terrifying.

I watched the Joe Rogan podcast with Bret Wienstien last night and thats what it was about. Apparently two recent studies have shown that after three doses of the Mrna vaccines your immune system is damaged.

Scary times we are in and you know something is really badly wrong when they keep pushing a vaccine that we now know for certain doesnt even stop you from getting the virus or spreading it.

Dr Peter McCullogh, one of the most published cardiologists in history was on the news last week. He said its time to be blunt, and proceeded to say the vaccines are killing people and a whole lot of people need to be held accountable.

My brother in law had an experience similar to Keiths last April. He wasn't so lucky though he passed away a few days later. Big strong healthy good natured fella that unfortunately believed everything they told him.

We are in a strange place now. We can look back and see who was telling us the truth and who wasnt. There are a bunch of doctors that the country needs to apologize too, they were right all along. The doctors that founded the FLCCC would be a good start. Anyone with any post vaccine problems would be wise to consider doing what they recommend.

I'm sorry to hear that. It's a drug that was known to cause fluid on the lungs which is exacerbated by the vent and cause people who didn't need to be in the hospital to choke on their own fluids and die. Many Drs and nurses have come out and claimed that the treatment method was akin to the modern day guillotine.

Just so any of the naysayers understand. In modern history the CDC would shut down any vaccine that had a number of just 25 deaths attached to it and scrap the project. But more than 25 people on this site know someone who died from the vaccine or treatment method. This is small forum with very limited number of the population in it. Dr McCullough claims over 400,000 people have died from the vaccine. That's just in the US.

The vaccine was made to kill people or seriously debilitate them. We warned everyone about this and were then silenced for it.

Now if you wanna go down the rabbit hole check this out. This is a document that we call a future scenario document. It is a war game that agencies do to prepare for a contrived event. They play it off as "oh we war games this and it happened just how we thought it would", but the truth is they use these documents to prepare their employees for the coming event that they then create.
Check the link below for the SPARS future scenario document and compare this to what actually happened during the COVID event.

SPARS

The government and it's agencies did similar war games for 911 and the release of COVID, the COVID war game was called Event 201 lead by Bill Gates. The document above is the war game for the government's response with a vaccine.

Senator Ron Johnson. People in WI are lucky to have him.

https://rumble.com/v20hgiq-please-s...s-roundtable-highlights-with-senato.html

Lot's of people won't be drawing social security now, fits well for broke governments hitting debt ceilings & borrowing like fools....

Just saying.

Well the injured ones that don't die but will end up on ss disability will adds some to the rolls. But many of them will likely roll up their sleeve for their 30th booster and eventually be removed from the rolls.

Saw a paper my company put out in the break room last night quoting the cdc recomdations and telling about the new strains and how everyone should get their boosters. And if not vaxed get them asap.

People are still buying and pushing it.

Ss disability claims skyrocketed after the vaccine mandates started so...

I se you've done your homework Ken.
I have I cousin a step brother and my sisters best friend that all are gone ages 60-62 they died within a year of each other. They each had one thing in common. Every one of my family members that decided to not take the Vax. Have had Covid they are all alive and healthy today. The three deaths that i mentioned were all heart attacks.
Coincidence?
I bealeave we may have more than one pandemic.
Rich

Good discussion!

Covid killed my Dad but not my Mom. Both in their 80's. Mom never even went to the hospital. Would the shot have saved my dad? Who knows. I think it was just his turn. He was starting to suffer from dementia. To tell the truth I am glad he didnt have to suffer advanced stages of it.

I know multiple unvaxed people that got bad sick from covid. A few that died, but most just had a bad cold and a few never got sick. its weird stuff. Its not hard to think its more likely than not man made.

Wonder when it's said & done which number is greater?...I know what I'm betting on.