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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782310
01/25/23 07:13 PM
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good thing there is a sensible/steady hand on the helm......oh, wait....fjb is in the house.


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: danvee] #7782314
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Originally Posted by danvee
Wonder what everyone would have been posting on this site in 1938 Through December 1941. Lot of pantywaist back then saying it was not Americas business to get involved then. Putin needs to get a good slap in the face from the rest of the world and America calling the Ukraine crooked is like a pot calling the kettle black. I also heard that Biden didn't have a pair and would do nothing to stop Putin. I guess we will see how it plays out, but Nato is a deterrent to guys like Putin, and Ukraine should have never given up their missiles.

At least back then we didn't end up backing the Nazis.


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782323
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Biden has done nothing to stop Putin, with Trump he was afraid to start.

Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: warrior] #7782329
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Originally Posted by warrior
And you would've had us rush into a European war when we couldn't even field, much less feed and arm, an army of 100,000 men?

BTW, you just might want to look into the Time Man of the Year in 1938 and just what Wall Street financiers were doing.


Wow! I didn’t even know Time magazine was a thing in 1938. Thanks Warrior!


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782343
01/25/23 08:00 PM
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Putin is just like Hitler,WW2 started because no one stopped Hitler when he annexed the Sudetenland.Then he annexed Czechoslovakia proper.
Crimea is Putins Sudetenland
Ukraine is Putins Czechoslovakia

The west will not let Putin start WW3 like we let Hitler start WW2.

How Moronic can you be calling Zelenski a NAZi,lol,he is a Jew.Thats commie propaganda just like your home grown commie propagandists calling the proudboys Nazis.

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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: spjones] #7782345
01/25/23 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by spjones
Seems weird that the vocal group of folks that were worried trump was going too start ww3

Are the ones now cheering for ww3



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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782353
01/25/23 08:14 PM
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Ohhh my, the U.S. government is sending the AFU a whole 2 1/2 companies of tanks. If used all at once, they might be able to do a local break through on a couple mile front. Of course, without combined arms covering and supporting (i.e. artillery and infantry), there won't be anyone to cover their flanks. All of NATO has pledged about 110 tanks so far, basically a slightly under strength armored brigade (minus the mech infantry). I'm sure that will bust through the entire Russian lines and drive all the way down to Sevastopol in Crimea, especially across the 4 miles wide or so connecting land. No way the Rus can cover that drive, especially across the narrows, they're totally incompetent and can't figure out how to fire any cannons or launch missile artillery (only killed or maimed a quarter million Ukies and their fellow travelers so far). Victory by the AFU within a month after getting the NATO hand me downs of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles!!

Little known fact is that when the Turks came across the Syrian border back in 2021 (I think it was after my kid left there so probably the right year), they had German Leopard tanks and left with fewer of them thanks to the Kurds. The Iraqi insurgents knocked out about 50 or more Abrams over time, including 17 that couldn't be repaired. And they had infantry style anti-tank weapons and IUDs (usually wired old artillery shells). The Abrams is formidable coming at you but it has a weak **s as most tanks do. One of the weaknesses of the Abrams, because it has a turbine engine, is that it has to suck in a lot of air while running, and those intakes are especially vulnerable to infantry anti-tank weapons. There's an interesting video out there of a Saudi Abrams in Yemen fighting anti-government rebels getting hit in the back corner and it brewing up in less than 1 minute. One crew guy is seen getting out.

So, keep on thinking that the Russians military are push overs and will get their ***es kicked without taking a lot of NATO out with them. And keep on believing that things won't go nuclear if one side or the other is losing badly. The Russians will fight NATO to the death because they have nowhere else to go. So just keep that in mind when you think its going to be Desert Storm all over again. That's probably the wrong war to model your brains with...


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: Osagan] #7782354
01/25/23 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Osagian
Originally Posted by spjones
Seems weird that the vocal group of folks that were worried trump was going too start ww3

Are the ones now cheering for ww3

^^^^This^^^^
That's what I haven't figured out, yet.

All the hand wringers and Jane Fondas and Jimmy Carters and John Kerrys that historically want the U S out of any military intervention; and turned their head when the Kymer Rouge killed a couple million and the Rwanda Genocide killed a million plus are the same ones that are pushing us into this Ukraine thing.


Which is why we shouldn’t want any parts of it.

And for those “we made a promise” folks, that ship sailed sometime ago.

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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782357
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where are the tank crews coming from? have we been training foreigners or are americans going? what about repair facilities? or just going to let them become scrap metal?


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: NonPCfed] #7782361
01/25/23 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
Ohhh my, the U.S. government is sending the AFU a whole 2 1/2 companies of tanks. If used all at once, they might be able to do a local break through on a couple mile front. Of course, without combined arms covering and supporting (i.e. artillery and infantry), there won't be no one to cover their flanks. All of NATO has pledged about 110 tanks so far, basically a slightly under strength armored brigade (minus the mech infantry). I'm sure that will bust through the entire Russians lines and drive all the way down to Sevastopol in Crimema, especially across the 4 miles wide or so connecting land. No way the Rus can cover that drive, especially across the narrows, they're totally incompetent and can't figure out how to fire any cannons or launch missile artillery (only kiled or mained a quarter million Ukies and their fellow travelers so far). Victory by the AFU within a month after getting the NATO hand me downs of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

Little know fact is that when the Turks came across the Syrian border back in 2021 (I think it was after my kid left there so probably the right year), they had German Leopard tanks and left with fewer of them thanks to the Kurds. The Iraqi insurgents knocked out about 50 or more Abrams over time, including 17 that couldn't be repaired. And they had infantry style anti-tank weapons and IUDs (usually wired old artillery shells). The Abrams is formidable coming at you but it has a weak **s as most tanks do. One of the weaknesses of the Abrams, because it has a turbine engine, is that it has to suck in a lot of air while running, and those intakes are especially vulnerable to infantry anti-tank weapons. There's an interesting video out of there of a Saudi Abrams in Yemen fighting anti-government rebels getting hit in the back corner and it brewing up in less than 1 minute. One crew guy is seen getting out.

So, keep on thinking that the Russians military are push overs and will get their ***es kicked without taking a lot of NATO out with them. And keep on believing that things won't go nuclear if one side or the other is losing badly. The Russians will fight NATO to the death because they have nowhere else to go. So just keep that in mind when you think its going to be Desert Storm all over again. That's probably not the war to model your brains with...


I know me and you differ on those about whose right about this but you 100% correct on alot of what your saying about tanks. Like I said if your DONT have a proper forward support system and logistics team most modern tanks are......just no.. rather Have a bunch of gopnicks in adis track suits , plate carries and shoulder fired anti armor systems against tanks then other tanks.
I strongly feel many basically fetishize modern combat thinking it's how it was during WWII when it's the opposite.

Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: NonPCfed] #7782363
01/25/23 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
Ohhh my, the U.S. government is sending the AFU a whole 2 1/2 companies of tanks. If used all at once, they might be able to do a local break through on a couple mile front. Of course, without combined arms covering and supporting (i.e. artillery and infantry), there won't be anyone to cover their flanks. All of NATO has pledged about 110 tanks so far, basically a slightly under strength armored brigade (minus the mech infantry). I'm sure that will bust through the entire Russian lines and drive all the way down to Sevastopol in Crimea, especially across the 4 miles wide or so connecting land. No way the Rus can cover that drive, especially across the narrows, they're totally incompetent and can't figure out how to fire any cannons or launch missile artillery (only killed or maimed a quarter million Ukies and their fellow travelers so far). Victory by the AFU within a month after getting the NATO hand me downs of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles!!

Little known fact is that when the Turks came across the Syrian border back in 2021 (I think it was after my kid left there so probably the right year), they had German Leopard tanks and left with fewer of them thanks to the Kurds. The Iraqi insurgents knocked out about 50 or more Abrams over time, including 17 that couldn't be repaired. And they had infantry style anti-tank weapons and IUDs (usually wired old artillery shells). The Abrams is formidable coming at you but it has a weak **s as most tanks do. One of the weaknesses of the Abrams, because it has a turbine engine, is that it has to suck in a lot of air while running, and those intakes are especially vulnerable to infantry anti-tank weapons. There's an interesting video out there of a Saudi Abrams in Yemen fighting anti-government rebels getting hit in the back corner and it brewing up in less than 1 minute. One crew guy is seen getting out.

So, keep on thinking that the Russians military are push overs and will get their ***es kicked without taking a lot of NATO out with them. And keep on believing that things won't go nuclear if one side or the other is losing badly. The Russians will fight NATO to the death because they have nowhere else to go. So just keep that in mind when you think its going to be Desert Storm all over again. That's probably the wrong war to model your brains with...



I’d like to see him at least get those new world order (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) while there’s still reporting on the fighting pre nuke juke.


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782364
01/25/23 08:22 PM
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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: danny clifton] #7782366
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
where are the tank crews coming from? have we been training foreigners or are americans going? what about repair facilities? or just going to let them become scrap metal?


From what I gather we are training the whole group for operations and maintenance. That’s why they won’t be seen overnight. Going to be months before they roll into action.


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782372
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So their also gonna be need 88's for recovery and repair worm , mobile FRESH Units , Hemmets to career said units, Fuelers.....

Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: Wolfdog91] #7782375
01/25/23 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by NonPCfed
Ohhh my, the U.S. government is sending the AFU a whole 2 1/2 companies of tanks. If used all at once, they might be able to do a local break through on a couple mile front. Of course, without combined arms covering and supporting (i.e. artillery and infantry), there won't be no one to cover their flanks. All of NATO has pledged about 110 tanks so far, basically a slightly under strength armored brigade (minus the mech infantry). I'm sure that will bust through the entire Russians lines and drive all the way down to Sevastopol in Crimema, especially across the 4 miles wide or so connecting land. No way the Rus can cover that drive, especially across the narrows, they're totally incompetent and can't figure out how to fire any cannons or launch missile artillery (only kiled or mained a quarter million Ukies and their fellow travelers so far). Victory by the AFU within a month after getting the NATO hand me downs of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.

Little know fact is that when the Turks came across the Syrian border back in 2021 (I think it was after my kid left there so probably the right year), they had German Leopard tanks and left with fewer of them thanks to the Kurds. The Iraqi insurgents knocked out about 50 or more Abrams over time, including 17 that couldn't be repaired. And they had infantry style anti-tank weapons and IUDs (usually wired old artillery shells). The Abrams is formidable coming at you but it has a weak **s as most tanks do. One of the weaknesses of the Abrams, because it has a turbine engine, is that it has to suck in a lot of air while running, and those intakes are especially vulnerable to infantry anti-tank weapons. There's an interesting video out of there of a Saudi Abrams in Yemen fighting anti-government rebels getting hit in the back corner and it brewing up in less than 1 minute. One crew guy is seen getting out.

So, keep on thinking that the Russians military are push overs and will get their ***es kicked without taking a lot of NATO out with them. And keep on believing that things won't go nuclear if one side or the other is losing badly. The Russians will fight NATO to the death because they have nowhere else to go. So just keep that in mind when you think its going to be Desert Storm all over again. That's probably not the war to model your brains with...


I know me and you differ on those about whose right about this but you 100% correct on alot of what your saying about tanks. Like I said if your DONT have a proper forward support system and logistics team most modern tanks are......just no.. rather Have a bunch of gopnicks in adis track suits , plate carries and shoulder fired anti armor systems against tanks then other tanks.
I strongly feel many basically fetishize modern combat thinking it's how it was during WWII when it's the opposite.


Add my vote to it as well.

The Abrams was designed for defending Fulda Gap. Just look at it's gas guzzling fuel economy. It's a defensive tank by design not one of Patton's third Army outrunning it's supply train.

That it was successful in Desert Storm was as much due to the 101st Screaming Eagles air dropping a full service gas station deep into enemy held desert for the Abrams to run to as it was the ability of the tank.

Without logistics the Abrams is not much more than a fixed emplacement.

Fools talk tactics, generals talk logistics.


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782386
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I got another copy of this book today. I thought there might be more info than the 1986 version that I have buried somewhere in my house but its mostly that. Still, the 1986 version has loads and loads of good information and diagrams of what people can do. Its well worth the $20+ it cost me on ebay a few days ago. I pray to God I never have to use this book.


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782405
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I posted this in another thread but it needs to be seen here too.

Ukraine big shots resign after being caught buying expensive toys, want to guess where all the money comes from

Time to pull the pin on this Ukrainian boondoggle.

Billions for Ukraine's boarder but nothing for ours?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...s-sports-cars-mansions-luxury-vacations/

Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782412
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the us government was stolen in 20 and now we are in deep do-do.

Pray.


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: waggler] #7782413
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Thank you Wolfdog-- You are a responsible and resourceful young man. And I thank you for your service to the country, just as I'm thankful to my son's service and my brother's former service. I just pray and hope that your leadership, both military and civilian, use your service wisely in the true defense of the American people. Not to the financial system and those who run it. No where in the Bill of Rights does it say that American citizens should pledge our loyalty to a central bank and fiat currency. Given that it took about 120 years after the Constitution was ratified to create the federal reserve as a central bank, its pretty apparent that the founders of the United States government didn't think it was an overly good idea to have such a financial system. They would also be appalled at the size and scope of interest of the current federal government, violating multiple civil rights of the citizens every day. But things change over 250 years, a lot of times for the worse or at best a mixed bag. We'll see what will happen in the near future, maybe liberty can still prevail...


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Re: So we are going to war with Russia.... [Re: Boco] #7782427
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Originally Posted by Boco
Putin is just like Hitler,WW2 started because no one stopped Hitler when he annexed the Sudetenland.Then he annexed Czechoslovakia proper.
Crimea is Putins Sudetenland
Ukraine is Putins Czechoslovakia

The west will not let Putin start WW3 like we let Hitler start WW2.

How Moronic can you be calling Zelenski a NAZi,lol,he is a Jew.Thats commie propaganda just like your home grown commie propagandists calling the proudboys Nazis.


Lots and lots of so called Jews fought with the Nazis under Hitler.


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