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Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: adam m] #7784438 01/27/23 11:11 PM 01/27/23 11:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 WI T-Rex trapper
T-Rex trapper Joined: Dec 2006 WI	ignorant users always blame the engineer. Man who mistake shillelagh for fairy wand; see pixie dust, also.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: run] #7784451 01/27/23 11:22 PM 01/27/23 11:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2018 MN D Donnersurvivor trapper
Donnersurvivor trapper D Joined: Jan 2018 MN	Originally Posted by run I believe Stihl has a professional line over $1,000. The homeowner stuff is garbage. The saws I'm running are $1,500 (500i). They're really top notch. The 261 is our small ground saw and they are around $700 they are also top notch. I have no experience with the homeowner stuff so I can't speak to that.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: adam m] #7784452 01/27/23 11:22 PM 01/27/23 11:22 PM
Joined: Sep 2013 Northeast Oklahoma M Mike in A-town trapper
Mike in A-town trapper M Joined: Sep 2013 Northeast Oklahoma	Originally Posted by adam m Thanks everyone I appreciate it. 271 is a farm boss with 18" bar Yeah i think I'll be contacting corporate. I sure miss the days when everything was built with pride and built to last. Forgot to mention, While getting squared away the owner or manager of the shop came in I explained what happened he looks says I ran it with the brake so bearing melted. I said I never do that, brake engaged after the chain jumped because keeps losing tension since first use. He said sounds like the oiler failed at some point then insisted user error and then he left for a delivery. I've gone through 2 chains in the 3 uses because of how loose the chain gets. At least they gave me a free chain lol Is 271 the Farm Boss or the Wood Boss? I bought a 290 (029) Farm Boss 17 years ago and after I replaced the worthless "safe" chain on it, it turned out to be one of the best investments I ever made. But I noticed within about 5 years of my purchase the models started changing and the literature from Stihl started getting downright woke and all about being "green." It's a @#$+! chainsaw... It's supposed to be destructive to nature... That's literally why I bought it. To murder trees and burn their corpses. Mike One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none. Vladimir Lenin

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: DanN] #7784479 01/27/23 11:42 PM 01/27/23 11:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 St. Louis Co, Mo B BigBob trapper
BigBob trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 St. Louis Co, Mo	Originally Posted by DanN The bearing cage is plastic - the needles are steel. The new saws are not as good as the older ones. Very little is! Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon. Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor. Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: adam m] #7784514 01/28/23 12:09 AM 01/28/23 12:09 AM
Joined: Feb 2014 nm A adam m OP trapper
adam m OP trapper A Joined: Feb 2014 nm	Mike, farm boss 271 Trex how am I ignorant? Issue since day 1. Been running saws since I was a kid. Avg 10-15 cords in my younger years. Never had a chain get this loose since day 1.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: adam m] #7784572 01/28/23 01:58 AM 01/28/23 01:58 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Indiana D DanN trapper
DanN trapper D Joined: Nov 2010 Indiana	Once fixed sell that piece of junk and buy an echo CS-590. About $460 new . Metal crankcase and built like the husqvarna and stihl pro saws of the 90s era. I worked at a stihl and husqvarna dealer and was factory trained for servicing them . The newer pro saws of recent years have been very prone to issues. The echo CS-590 would be my choice these days . The stihl and husqvarna saws are getting too advanced - kind of like modern pick up trucks. Too much convoluted plastic structures and electronic crap.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: T-Rex] #7784651 01/28/23 08:49 AM 01/28/23 08:49 AM
Joined: Sep 2012 Perry, NY D Dana I trapper
Dana I trapper D Joined: Sep 2012 Perry, NY	Originally Posted by T-Rex ignorant users always blame the engineer. Ignorant engineers blame the users. I to have said it before and will again. The homeowner lines are not worth buying. If you can't justify the cost of the pro models in Sthil or huskvarna you are better off to go with used saws or echo. Last edited by Dana I; 01/28/23 08:50 AM.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: T-Rex] #7784694 01/28/23 09:42 AM 01/28/23 09:42 AM
Joined: Sep 2013 Northeast Oklahoma M Mike in A-town trapper
Mike in A-town trapper M Joined: Sep 2013 Northeast Oklahoma	Originally Posted by T-Rex ignorant users always blame the engineer. Found the engineer ^^^ I have worked on enough automobiles and farm equipment to know your statement is demonstrably false. However, I don't blame engineers alone. The bean counters play their part too... The compromise between a brilliantly executed piece of engineering and material cost reduction, shipping weight, and labor assembly costs have given us the brilliant gems we all know and love. End users and field personnel will always get screwed once the bean counters get their heads together with the engineers to save 8/10 of a penny on material, 1.5 grams on a 15 lb product, or 1.7 seconds of assembly time. Mike One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none. Vladimir Lenin

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: adam m] #7784699 01/28/23 09:46 AM 01/28/23 09:46 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Rodney,Ohio SNIPERBBB trapper
SNIPERBBB trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Rodney,Ohio	Are the low tier stihls made by stihl or made by something like MTD Last edited by SNIPERB🦝; 01/28/23 09:46 AM. http://www.sniperstrappingplace.com/tmansearch.php

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: Mike in A-town] #7784705 01/28/23 09:53 AM 01/28/23 09:53 AM
Joined: Feb 2015 Iowa T trapdog1 trapper
trapdog1 trapper T Joined: Feb 2015 Iowa	Originally Posted by Mike in A-town Originally Posted by T-Rex ignorant users always blame the engineer. Found the engineer ^^^ I have worked on enough automobiles and farm equipment to know your statement is demonstrably false. However, I don't blame engineers alone. The bean counters play their part too... The compromise between a brilliantly executed piece of engineering and material cost reduction, shipping weight, and labor assembly costs have given us the brilliant gems we all know and love. End users and field personnel will always get screwed once the bean counters get their heads together with the engineers to save 8/10 of a penny on material, 1.5 grams on a 15 lb product, or 1.7 seconds of assembly time. Mike I believe Mike has hit on the real truth of the matter.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: SNIPERBBB] #7784715 01/28/23 10:03 AM 01/28/23 10:03 AM
Joined: Dec 2013 Greene County,Virginia R run trapper
run trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Greene County,Virginia	Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝 Are the low tier stihls made by stihl or made by something like MTD They're made in Virginia Beach by Stihl. The professional line is made in Germany. I was told this by a Stihl dealer. wanna be goat farmer.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: Mike in A-town] #7784745 01/28/23 10:36 AM 01/28/23 10:36 AM
Joined: Feb 2014 nm A adam m OP trapper
adam m OP trapper A Joined: Feb 2014 nm	Originally Posted by Mike in A-town Originally Posted by T-Rex ignorant users always blame the engineer. Found the engineer ^^^ I have worked on enough automobiles and farm equipment to know your statement is demonstrably false. However, I don't blame engineers alone. The bean counters play their part too... The compromise between a brilliantly executed piece of engineering and material cost reduction, shipping weight, and labor assembly costs have given us the brilliant gems we all know and love. End users and field personnel will always get screwed once the bean counters get their heads together with the engineers to save 8/10 of a penny on material, 1.5 grams on a 15 lb product, or 1.7 seconds of assembly time. Mike Spot on.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: run] #7784857 01/28/23 12:29 PM 01/28/23 12:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2013 Pillager, Minnesota P patfundine trapper
patfundine trapper P Joined: Jan 2013 Pillager, Minnesota	Originally Posted by run Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝 Are the low tier stihls made by stihl or made by something like MTD They're made in Virginia Beach by Stihl. The professional line is made in Germany. I was told this by a Stihl dealer. This is true. I'm a Stihl Silver Tech Last edited by patfundine; 01/28/23 12:33 PM.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: patfundine] #7784860 01/28/23 12:31 PM 01/28/23 12:31 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Greene County,Virginia R run trapper
run trapper R Joined: Dec 2013 Greene County,Virginia	They're made in Virginia Beach by Stihl. The professional line is made in Germany. I was told this by a Stihl dealer.[/quote] This is true. I'm a Sthil Silver Tech[/quote] Thank you. wanna be goat farmer.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: adam m] #7784862 01/28/23 12:32 PM 01/28/23 12:32 PM
Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana P Providence Farm trapper
Providence Farm trapper P Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana	Patfundine what saws do you use then Husky or echo?

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: Providence Farm] #7784876 01/28/23 12:45 PM 01/28/23 12:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2013 Pillager, Minnesota P patfundine trapper
patfundine trapper P Joined: Jan 2013 Pillager, Minnesota	Originally Posted by Providence Farm Patfundine what saws do you use then Husky or echo? I'm also husqvarna certified. We sold both in the dealership I worked at. We also had jonesred, craftsman, efco, worx, and several other brands. I currently own a MS400c, MS361 - I built up a bit, MS361 - with a bigger engine i built, Husqvarna 51 that has been modified, and a husqvarna 550xp. Echo is a good saw, but I won't own one because I have worked on them. I burn over 12 cord of wood a year in my boiler, so my saws get used. Last edited by patfundine; 01/28/23 12:57 PM.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: adam m] #7784881 01/28/23 12:56 PM 01/28/23 12:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana P Providence Farm trapper
Providence Farm trapper P Joined: Feb 2020 Indiana	I like my 361 it's had the been built. I have been running av gas at 32:1. No stinking like 2 cycle exhaust and no gummed up carbs. Been running av gas for years but had the guy at the service desk at the dealer try to tell me it will bun the top of the piston out of them in just a tank or two of gas. He couldn't explain how I have 25 gal of it minimum through my 361 and not a single issue.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: Providence Farm] #7784890 01/28/23 01:06 PM 01/28/23 01:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2013 Pillager, Minnesota P patfundine trapper
patfundine trapper P Joined: Jan 2013 Pillager, Minnesota	Originally Posted by Providence Farm I like my 361 it's had the been built. I have been running av gas at 32:1. No stinking like 2 cycle exhaust and no gummed up carbs. Been running av gas for years but had the guy at the service desk at the dealer try to tell me it will bun the top of the piston out of them in just a tank or two of gas. He couldn't explain how I have 25 gal of it minimum through my 361 and not a single issue. It will be fine. Especially with the heavy oil mix. We had a poulan wild thing in the shop that we ran Ethonol race fuel in. We had to buy special oil and drilled out the carb jets a lot. That was the meanest poulan in the world for about 1 tank of fuel. When it melted down there was nothing left to rebuild.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: adam m] #7784900 01/28/23 01:19 PM 01/28/23 01:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Pa W Wright Brothers trapper
Wright Brothers trapper W Joined: Dec 2006 Pa	I too like the 51 I bought new in 93-96? Just redid the carb and stuff, fresh top end, not seen fuel yet. Any tips for mods there and I'm all ears.

Re: Sthil hired automotive engineers [Re: Wright Brothers] #7784912 01/28/23 01:38 PM 01/28/23 01:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2013 Pillager, Minnesota P patfundine trapper
patfundine trapper P Joined: Jan 2013 Pillager, Minnesota	Originally Posted by Wright Brothers I too like the 51 I bought new in 93-96? Just redid the carb and stuff, fresh top end, not seen fuel yet. Any tips for mods there and I'm all ears. I wouldn't do much. I'm on the third engine. The crank seals have been the downside every time. I have tried bigger 56cc tops and porting. I cut up a couple handles and tig welded them together to make a full wrap handle.

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