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Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7787625
01/31/23 04:00 PM
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20" rebar 1/2" diameter. Nut or washer tops. Stake where they can't reach nothing such as near deer feeders and trails on firm ground.

4' to 6' cable extensions. 3/32" 7x7. Crimped loop on both ends. 1/8" quick link to attach to trap chain end swivel. Half hitch to trees along stream edges where my stakes won't hold.


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Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7787985
01/31/23 10:55 PM
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I don't like rebar anywhere that a coon can get above the stake unless you cross stake them. Especially along creek/river banks.

My primary method is bullet stakes with retrieval ends as they are very easy to pull for when im rotating traps. With the retrieval ends, i can very easily use the retrieval end as a way to tie off to a tree rather than hammer the stake in. Love to use drags when i can.

Re: Securing DPs [Re: ~ADC~] #7788116
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
24" 3/8" nut top stakes work great in our soil. Easy to move regularly, which is important with DPs IMO. Move them ever 3-4 days to new untapped locations.

I use these along with T's this year is the first time I have ever had a coon jack out a stake this long 3 of them to be exact and can't figure out what happened and not theft but each one came after a real heavy rain and I don't check till after noon since I work nights one I could see but not 3 things happen I guess... Jon

Re: Securing DPs [Re: jalstat] #7788133
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Originally Posted by jalstat
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
24" 3/8" nut top stakes work great in our soil. Easy to move regularly, which is important with DPs IMO. Move them ever 3-4 days to new untapped locations.

I use these along with T's this year is the first time I have ever had a coon jack out a stake this long 3 of them to be exact and can't figure out what happened and not theft but each one came after a real heavy rain and I don't check till after noon since I work nights one I could see but not 3 things happen I guess... Jon

Soft ground and if the animal can get above the stake, this can happen.

Re: Securing DPs [Re: jalstat] #7788210
02/01/23 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jalstat
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
24" 3/8" nut top stakes work great in our soil. Easy to move regularly, which is important with DPs IMO. Move them ever 3-4 days to new untapped locations.

I use these along with T's this year is the first time I have ever had a coon jack out a stake this long 3 of them to be exact and can't figure out what happened and not theft but each one came after a real heavy rain and I don't check till after noon since I work nights one I could see but not 3 things happen I guess... Jon

jalsat, were the ones that got pulled the nut on top or T on top?

And what do you use for the rod to go through on the end of your chain?


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Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7788217
02/01/23 09:25 AM
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One T and 2 with nuts use a J hook swivel with 1J first time ever after 12 years using this way…Jon

Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7788249
02/01/23 10:02 AM
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If you are using a regular swivel like this with the single J hook, I am surprised you have not had more problems. This is a classic pump the stake scenario due to the small amout of clearance around the stake,
[Linked Image]

I use the following with a 3/8" rebar stake. The hole is large enough that it does not bind up on the rod as easily as the regular swivel shown above so pumping the stake is not an issue.
[Linked Image]


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Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7788285
02/01/23 10:53 AM
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I have 12" of 3/32 cable and a pogo. We have a lot of rock here so getting a stake in is tough but if I get 6-8" of the pogo and it sets, I haven't lost one yet. I did lose a couple this year on drags when they got tangled in brush so I stake in teh open where thay can't tangle.

Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7788347
02/01/23 01:00 PM
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18" 1/8 cable with wolf fang anchors. Attached by quick link. Same anchors I use on my predator traps. Overkill, probably,but I just like having one type of anchor for everything . Makes it a little simpler

Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7788418
02/01/23 02:48 PM
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I don't believe coons can jack a stake if you are using factory length chains on your DP's. I do think if they get the stake loose enough they could get the trap hooked up on it and maybe pull the stake with the trap hooked directly to it, maybe. More likely the ground was too soft for the stake or the coon was able to climb up above the stake and get a high angle to pull it. They just aren't tall enough or jump high enough for that to happen with a factory length or longer chain.

QBD that's good info for coyotes, I just can not see how it happen with coons, especially with 3/8" rebar.

In the end, if you like your system, no reason to change.

Re: Securing DPs [Re: QuietButDeadly] #7788473
02/01/23 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
If you are using a regular swivel like this with the single J hook, I am surprised you have not had more problems. This is a classic pump the stake scenario due to the small amout of clearance around the stake,
[Linked Image]

I use the following with a 3/8" rebar stake. The hole is large enough that it does not bind up on the rod as easily as the regular swivel shown above so pumping the stake is not an issue.
[Linked Image]

Thanks sir will do

Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7788480
02/01/23 04:22 PM
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ADC,in general I agree with you about coons not jumping a lot but there are always exceptions and extenuating circumstances. In NC, we have a max chain length to a solid anchor and it is only 8", and that is shorter than stock chain. To exceed 8", we can add a shock spring which I have done to allow me to legally use extension cables because a lot of our creeks are deep sugar sand or just plain rotten dirt that you can push a 24" stake in with one finger. Put a stake in those conditions, even on flat ground, a coons can wallow the hole out enough to get the stake out. Add a sloped bank to that mix and it just gets easier for them to pull the stake. Use a regular swivel with a 3/8" rebar along with some elevation, pumping the stake is certainly possible.

There is no one size fits all circumstances for staking even for a raccoon.


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Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7788602
02/01/23 08:03 PM
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If you trap from your truck or UTV, run down to your closest mechanic and get some truck brake rotors and just cable off to them. Ain’t caught a coon yet that can move one. Drop one off a creek bank and they definitely ain’t going nowhere except maybe swimming. I’ve talked to my landowners and just leave them. Until the following year. To make it pretty just cover with leaves or sand. Just went and scouted a property and they’re still there, lol. Had to dig a little for one as the creek rising from time to time had washed sand over it. Again, this is only if you trap from a vehicle. I can tell you I ain’t carrying them far, lol.

Re: Securing DPs [Re: QuietButDeadly] #7788653
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Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
ADC,in general I agree with you about coons not jumping a lot but there are always exceptions and extenuating circumstances. In NC, we have a max chain length to a solid anchor and it is only 8", and that is shorter than stock chain. To exceed 8", we can add a shock spring which I have done to allow me to legally use extension cables because a lot of our creeks are deep sugar sand or just plain rotten dirt that you can push a 24" stake in with one finger. Put a stake in those conditions, even on flat ground, a coons can wallow the hole out enough to get the stake out. Add a sloped bank to that mix and it just gets easier for them to pull the stake. Use a regular swivel with a 3/8" rebar along with some elevation, pumping the stake is certainly possible.

There is no one size fits all circumstances for staking even for a raccoon.


First, that is an ignorant law. lol Secondly, I said they could get them out if they get above them, so we agree. I don't think they are tall enough even with only 8" of chain to jack the stakes on flat ground.

Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7788883
02/02/23 07:22 AM
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Long time ago (1982) I had a coon pull a 3/8" rebar stake fastened to a snare by climbing a tree right next to the set. He escaped and I caught him 1 week later with the snare still on him. Not pretty, so whenever I set a coon restriction trap (11, 1.5, snare or DP) I make sure there are no trees large/close enough to give the coon a straight line pull upwards on any stake. My take. ............................................................. the mike

Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7789457
02/02/23 08:47 PM
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I use the berkshire stakes with 15" of cable. I drill a hole on the v-end and add some more cable with a loop so I can easily pull the stake with just a t-bar when it comes time to pull. Makes pulling very easy. This is for dryland trapping and not in the water. Works great in my area.


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Re: Securing DPs [Re: Lance Squires] #7789606
02/02/23 11:57 PM
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East-Central Wisconsin
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I have butterfly stake holders on my DPs. I double stake all of my DPs. I use 17-18 inch 3/8 inch rebar with a washer and a nut welded on the ends. A lot of areas where my DPs are set the soil is moist and also leaning to more muck than clay. I drive them in with a hammer and when I pull I use a vice grip, twist the stake once and clamp the vice grip and pull the stakes out.

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Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7791271
02/04/23 09:57 PM
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I trap a lot of coons in sand. Not sandy soil. I mean sand. I use 3/32 cable with a 1/8" double ferrule and a stop button in such a way to create a slip knot for attaching to nearby trees or whatever is laying around nearby that a coon won't drag very far.
For transport, to keep the cables under control, I wrap them around the bottom near, and including the wire stabilizer. once I have about 8 inches of cable left, i run the loop end through the wire stabilizer. They stay put that way and come off real nice when you go to to set them.

Re: Securing DPs [Re: HoosierTrapper07] #7792598
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3/32” cable. Depending on the bark of the tree, or low limbs, maybe a fence staple to keep them from climbing

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