Re: Baker who won in the SCOTUS back in the news
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Glad he is standing like Daniel up against that giant.
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Re: Baker who won in the SCOTUS back in the news
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Seems to me like private owned should have the freedom to decide who they want to do business with. Government should not have those options but private is private. Those original court decisions were an attempt to end racism. I believe racism has gotten some better because people are just smarter. Now it seems government wants us hating each other again and is saying those old anti discrimination cases apply to the elemenohpees. Plenty of bakeries in Denver but its obvious, to me at least, this poor mentally ill person wants to push things again. Some people just need to be the center of attention I guess.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Baker who won in the SCOTUS back in the news
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Wonder if he would sell me a cake if I tell him I do not believe? Next time I am in Denver i will find out. I will let you know what happens. (I wont call a reporter. I really do support his right to sell a cake to whom he chooses)
I just wonder if his religion prevents him from serving all heathens or just elemenohpees.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Live and let live has always been, and will always be... a lie. We're all in this together and to say otherwise is a fool's errand.
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Re: Baker who won in the SCOTUS back in the news
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Mark, rule by clergy, no matter the religion, has in the past been a blood bath.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Baker who won in the SCOTUS back in the news
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Mark, rule by clergy, no matter the religion, has in the past been a blood bath. History is a blood bath no matter where you look. Freedom of association is a lie in this country. The only businesses that should be forced to serve everyone are monopolies ie power companies, etc.
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I agree danny because the person when a person says they speak for a god, any god, they themselves have become their own god. The God of the Bible doesn't need anyone speaking for Him. He tried the judges, and kings, and prophets and there will be no more "speakers" since the Son came to earth and said it all. The Speaker came and will come again.
Yet some will still say they speak for God? Small "g"... as in "Hail Caesar!"
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Aside from speech wouldn't this fall afoul of prohibitions against involuntary servitude? Can I demand labor just by walking in the door of a business that serves the public? Is the business owner obligated to labor at my specific command as long as I pay his fee?
What if I want a halal butcher to cut up a pig? A doctor to amputate healthy limbs? A politician to tell the truth?
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I like that last line warrior. Splurted java I did! Daggum you son.
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Re: Baker who won in the SCOTUS back in the news
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Wonder if he would sell me a cake if I tell him I do not believe? Next time I am in Denver i will find out. I will let you know what happens. (I wont call a reporter. I really do support his right to sell a cake to whom he chooses)
I just wonder if his religion prevents him from serving all heathens or just elemenohpees. He would sell you a cake, unless you want him to put something like "God is a sky fairy" on it. He serves the alphabet crowd. He just refused to be a part of their "wedding" because it violated his beliefs.
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Wonder if he would sell me a cake if I tell him I do not believe? Next time I am in Denver i will find out. I will let you know what happens. (I wont call a reporter. I really do support his right to sell a cake to whom he chooses)
I just wonder if his religion prevents him from serving all heathens or just elemenohpees. His issue is with the sanctity of marriage. Not that hard to figure out Danny.
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Wonder if he would sell me a cake if I tell him I do not believe? Next time I am in Denver i will find out. I will let you know what happens. (I wont call a reporter. I really do support his right to sell a cake to whom he chooses)
I just wonder if his religion prevents him from serving all heathens or just elemenohpees. His issue is with the sanctity of marriage. Not that hard to figure out Danny. He was already found to have the right to refuse on his beliefs. It was not that hard to see that they are just trying to drive him Bankrupt!!! He has his beliefs and does not believe that Gods choice does not need to be altered. Remember that God spoke that he would turn his back on a place where Man would lay with Man and Women with women and the Baker stood and is still standing by his religion and he has that right!! This is not a Communist Nation ..... YET!!! Until the Demonrats and WOKE Libturds take over it will not be!!!
God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
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Re: Baker who won in the SCOTUS back in the news
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He stood on his principles and they think he should be punished. Why can’t they just take their business elsewhere. If it were me I’d made the price so high they would of walked or I would have laughed all the way to the bank… Jon
That's a good idea. Just put up a sign says special orders pricing subject to owners discretion. Then anyone you don't like or want to serve is just considered a special order. Don't need to say what makes it a special order other than they ask for something different. . Jack price up what every you want see what happens. They can buy or refuse take business elsewhere. Can't say refusing someone service. Just price accordingly. Just have to make sure you never price anything special order the same for any two different customers.. Only grab and go standard carryout items fixed price. Mac
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Re: Baker who won in the SCOTUS back in the news
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The most important passage from the article:
"Both sides in this debate appear to intentionally provoke one another in order to get legal traction. Phillips is represented by one of two conservative legal advocacy firms behind most all the similar religious liberty claims filed in recent years. And Scardina said she planned her order carefully to send a statement."
I couldn't care less if the baker refuses gays, Christians, trappers, transvestites, Jews, Democrats, Republicans, whites, blacks, Mexicans, MAGA hat wearers, socialists or whoever.
The free market should handle such things. Does he make a good cake and sell it at a fair price? That is all that matters. Don't like his politics or religion, go somewhere else.
Otherwise, these manufactured social issues (manufactured by the tranny and the supposed Christian baker) only lead to more damage to our country as victims and attention seekers result--and people buy into it as being something that matters. It does not.
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Mark, rule by clergy, no matter the religion, has in the past been a blood bath. I guess you'd be right if you include Socialism/Communism as a religion, They have the record at around, what, 100 Million or so lives in around 100 years? I mean those leakers in the Crusades managed to kill around 3 million but it took them around 200 years to accomplish that.
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Oh it matters,
Just not to You...
"subjective: [adjective] of, relating to, or constituting a subject: such as. of, relating to, or characteristic of one that is a subject especially in lack of freedom of action or in submissiveness." True. It does not matter to me. I guess it matters to those Christians who look to be victimized and to the trannies--who obviously look to be victimized. If I was a baker, I would sell as many cakes as I could--you know, the reason a baker goes into business.
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Has a raped woman sinned? Yet she too, is called to forgive.
Bake the cake knowing God’s power will make good out of it.
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Oh it matters,
Just not to You...
"subjective: [adjective] of, relating to, or constituting a subject: such as. of, relating to, or characteristic of one that is a subject especially in lack of freedom of action or in submissiveness." True. It does not matter to me. I guess it matters to those Christians who look to be victimized and to the trannies--who obviously look to be victimized. If I was a baker, I would sell as many cakes as I could--you know, the reason a baker goes into business. Too bad for you. Would you sell out to the antis as well? Fortunately most of us have standards and values we treasure and we our beliefs are not for sale at any price.
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The most important passage from the article:
"Both sides in this debate appear to intentionally provoke one another in order to get legal traction. Phillips is represented by one of two conservative legal advocacy firms behind most all the similar religious liberty claims filed in recent years. And Scardina said she planned her order carefully to send a statement."
I couldn't care less if the baker refuses gays, Christians, trappers, transvestites, Jews, Democrats, Republicans, whites, blacks, Mexicans, MAGA hat wearers, socialists or whoever.
The free market should handle such things. Does he make a good cake and sell it at a fair price? That is all that matters. Don't like his politics or religion, go somewhere else.
Otherwise, these manufactured social issues (manufactured by the tranny and the supposed Christian baker) only lead to more damage to our country as victims and attention seekers result--and people buy into it as being something that matters. It does not.
I don't agree that both sides are intentionally provoking one another. I see Jack's attitude as he just wants to be left alone over the issue. On the other hand, Scardina admits to wanting to make a point, my way is the only way that matters. Typical left attitude. And the writer wants to embellish the article to keep it going.
The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
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Thoes people are Sinners to God. We are all sinners. However, these folks are unrepentant sinners who are proud of their sinful behavior. A dangerous position to be in.
"My life is better than your vacation"
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Too bad for you. Would you sell out to the antis as well? Fortunately most of us have standards and values we treasure and we our beliefs are not for sale at any price.
Please post the letter/email you sent YouTube declining any ad revenue derived from antis that happen to click on your YouTube channel.
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Scardina say he is doing this just to make a point. Since this is the case, then this is about "speech", and forcing the baker to "speech" he is opposed to will work against Scardina I think.
"My life is better than your vacation"
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Too bad for you. Would you sell out to the antis as well? Fortunately most of us have standards and values we treasure and we our beliefs are not for sale at any price.
He's a bottom feeding lawyer they have no standards.
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Too bad for you. Would you sell out to the antis as well? Fortunately most of us have standards and values we treasure and we our beliefs are not for sale at any price.
He's a bottom feeding lawyer they have no standards. The tax cheat finally woke up.
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Have seen these signs on doors many times:
No shirt, no shoes, no service We reserve the right to refuse service,
Is that all it takes?
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Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.
Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
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Have seen these signs on doors many times:
No shirt, no shoes, no service We reserve the right to refuse service,
Is that all it takes? You can have a dress code just no moral code except what the license on the wall and health inspector permits.
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