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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792265
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Originally Posted by trapperkeck
Well Pete, you make a good argument. Sooo, which 9mm?

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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792274
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Primarily a 45ACP man, 1911 style. Several full size ... single stacks, double stacks and a compact
That said, I carry a Kimber Micro 9 for cc when out and about.

I got Christine a 357 mag revolver, although she uses 38s, versatility IMO is always key.


If I was looking at a full size 9mm, I would seriously consider getting a Beretta 92.

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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792291
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Do you all remember why the 40 came to be? CIA in Miami shot some cuban drug peddler all jacked up on coke with the standard issue 9mm, after 18 hits he was still running and returning fire, so the 10mm was developed, but to much recoil for the pansy cia guys so the powers that be shortened, the 10 to the 40. Me I carry either a 45, or a 10, have an AR with a 30 round in the truck, another with a 100 rd. drum by my bed.

Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792308
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9mm for me and my wife and daughter, ammo is easy to fine and cheap,

Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: Ridge Runner1960] #7792309
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
Do you all remember why the 40 came to be? CIA in Miami shot some cuban drug peddler all jacked up on coke with the standard issue 9mm, after 18 hits he was still running and returning fire
shot placement is everything. Next is capacity, for more chances of correct shot placement.


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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792312
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But, I also carry this 7 shot .357 mag...... [Linked Image]


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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792377
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Dirchdiver, I am a .357 Magnum guy too. They say it may over penetrate but I don't have any neighbors close by so I don't mind.


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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792383
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.45 S&W Shield is all I own currently. Two inch barrel and a lousy trigger but I can hit a man in the chest with it at forty/fifty yards.

Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: Ditchdiver] #7792391
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Originally Posted by Ditchdiver
Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
Do you all remember why the 40 came to be? CIA in Miami shot some cuban drug peddler all jacked up on coke with the standard issue 9mm, after 18 hits he was still running and returning fire
shot placement is everything. Next is capacity, for more chances of correct shot placement.



And guess what the first thing to go out the window in close quarter, high stress situations?

Capacity capacity capacity.

Unless you got ice water in your veins like Harry Callahan.

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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7792417
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
45acp=11.48mm, 0.452"
40/10mm=0.400
9mm = 0.355"

they are all calibrated to go >12 <16 inches in 10% ordinance gel
so there is a 4 inch window of performance

could 45 or 40 do more , maybe but it doesn't in most personal defense rounds

40 has snappier/sharper recoil impulse
45 has a bit more recoil than 9 but less snappy than 40 in most rounds

40 is harder on guns , costs more to shoot , and harder recoiling , so you spend more time getting back on target
you need to be a better shooter to get the same number of hits with 40 on target in the same time as you can with 9mm

.452-.355= .97 / 2= .0485

if you pull a credit card from your wallet and look at the thicness of the edge that is about .040 so if you hit the same spot exactly with a 9mm vs a 45 would the thickness of that card make a bad shot a good shot.

we know capacity matters more hits on target is better

I would go 9mm take the lower cost of ammo , the added capacity , easier to shoot especially from a compact or sub compact
then practice more and more often with that less expensive ammo.

it comes back to a basic but true statement a hand gun is a handgun is a handgun none of them jump up and give shotgun or rifle energy

take the cost and recoil savings and the capacity gain.









True and he allready has a 9mm so having only one ammo would be easier. But there is something to be said about having several calibers so you alway have something to shoot with whatever ammo you can find.

That said I don't own a 9mm just a threaded 9mm barrel for my .40 glock 23. I don't notice less recoil or snap but I have not shot it much without a suppressor on it.

Handguns are all weak but you still would pick a 9mm over a .32 or a .25 for a reason. Heavier bullets hit harder and expand larger than the difference in caliber alone. Since they are slow I nly tear up what the bullet hits mostly unlike a 243 that'll destroy an inch and quarter diameter of tissue with that .24 cal bullet.

9mm works just fine, yet there is a reason the 10mm was made and police moved to it, .40 and 45s for 2 decades. But now are moving back to 9mm they have short memories.

My .40 glock works killed every thing I shot with it from mice to horse. But I still don't think it's all that great just what I have had on me most the last 24 yeaes so it's shot the most things.

Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792435
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Natchez shooter supply has .40 ammo on sale often new stuff in bulk even.


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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792453
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The statistics on gun fights would surprise most folks close quarters a few shots and often no hits it’s shocking. Seen a video at the Academy with a D bag and Officer shooting from opposite sides of the vehicle neither hit anything.


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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: Ridge Runner1960] #7792479
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
Do you all remember why the 40 came to be? CIA in Miami shot some cuban drug peddler all jacked up on coke with the standard issue 9mm, after 18 hits he was still running and returning fire, so the 10mm was developed, but to much recoil for the pansy cia guys so the powers that be shortened, the 10 to the 40. Me I carry either a 45, or a 10, have an AR with a 30 round in the truck, another with a 100 rd. drum by my bed.


there were several reasons for 10 and 40

bullet technology has changed some of that

early use of 147gr 9mm and even current use of 147gr 9mm. I have shot raccoons with them from a glock 19 these were the Winchester Ranger T , might as well have been fmj for what they were doing/not-doing to coon. that is a 15-20 pound animal that doesn't know it is dead till it is but dispatches well with a 22lr-hp
the barrel on a G19 is 4 inches that is about the most common length of pistol barrel there is if you don't get good expansion from 4 inches of barrel and a target a few feet away it seems like a poor ammunition choice and I never got any more.
I carry 124gr xtp in my 9mm pistols the racoons told me it worked the best. no it isn't the fanciest bullet I am sure there are better but they are reasonably available and at a price I could afford more to test and practice with and carry and use up and rotate in fresh

you make the point I was going to bring up this morning after thinking about this more

the OP asked about 9,40,45 in a full size gun so my answer was he had 9 he already stocked 9 the differences in performance are not that great and the capacity and ease of shooting is a benefit
however , a short over all length long gun might be the better option for in house.

reasons for a handgun for In home SD situations
Pros , you have a hand free you can get doors , you can grab kids and drag them to your safe spot , and they are short going around corners
Cons, most people don't shoot them as well , as fast or as accurate as a long gun ( we see this in the same stage non GM PCC shooters are running GM grand master pistol shooter times and hits on the same stage.)

other things to consider you will have what you have when you pick up your rig whatever it is if it is a pistol maybe you will have it in some sort of a bag with extra mags and such but likely not which is why a mounted light is a good idea for any bump in the night gun , positive identification is huge
you may very well end up fighting in exactly what you were sleeping in seconds earlier birthday suit or not.

pros and cons of long guns
Pro, more power , often more ammo capacity , better accuracy and control
Cons , longer , harder to move with
shotguns lack ammo capacity but hopefully what is in the tube is enough those of use who have had one in our hands since we were a kids shoot them very well.

anything powerful to get the job done well goes though house hold walls be it handgun , rifle or shotgun. some ammo types are better at not going though the second wall. so that has to be a plan where people and the best answer seems to be make sure the projectile passes through the bad guy first they slow down projectiles better than walls.
a miss with a super-magnum is still a miss better to get hits with the thing you can get hits with well and fast. the better the hits the better anything works.

long guns need a sling typically we say hand guns need a holster to be complete
I like a long sling you put over your body but can still move with like a Blue force gear Vickers or the magpul ms# or something similar that has the rapid adjust so you can go loose to snug so you can be hands free. as well as switch shoulders should you need to.

long guns also need a light I run a very basic Surefire it turns on and off no other features

there isn't really a magic round only good placement and follow up till it works

I hope you never need any of it.



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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: Law Dog] #7792484
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
The statistics on gun fights would surprise most folks close quarters a few shots and often no hits it’s shocking. Seen a video at the Academy with a D bag and Officer shooting from opposite sides of the vehicle neither hit anything.


there was a good example several years ago

the officer and the perp had the same gun , in the same caliber and the same car

perp comes out shooting after a traffic stop where he pulls into a parking lot

cop and perp end up doing a dance around both vehicles both started with the same number of rounds , both took non stopping hits to legs and arms
cop performs a reload because he had mags on his belt the perp didn't and capacity of reload won

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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: Leftlane] #7792523
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
Dirchdiver, I am a .357 Magnum guy too. They say it may over penetrate but I don't have any neighbors close by so I don't mind.

My favorite caliber.


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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792539
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A .45.......shooting more than once is just silly. I have a 1911 Springfield that's a pretty sweet rig. Also have a S&W that is plastic. Not so much.


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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: SwiftKIll] #7792548
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Originally Posted by SwiftKIll
Trapperkeck I carry all three from time to time. Mostly 9mm or .40 in the summer and a full size 1911 in the winter months. Which gun fits you and you can shoot comfortably and accurately is what counts. I know ill get blasted but I'm a .45 1911 guy not a Glock guy. Go to a range and rent a few and see what works. Good luck.


Best advice. Get what fits and you are comfortable with. They will all do the job you are asking them to do.

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If you settle with 9MM Glock 34 is a heck of a gun if not for concealed carry


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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792820
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Re: .40, .45 or 9mm? [Re: trapperkeck] #7792942
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I have all three plus a 10mm and a 40. If it is home protection I'm sticking with the bereta P95 9mm. I want something that is easy to handle and keep on target in a tense situation. The hole size isn't that much smaller but multiple holes on someone or something hopped up on something closing fast on me is important. I have the 40 but it really isn't my cup of tea. The 10mm and the 45 pull and buck too much to make me confident I can keep hitting a target in rapid succession. I also am a fan of ammo that has good expansion which equals max energy transfer.


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