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Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811540
03/02/23 11:30 PM
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If I take out a loan, I am expected to pay it back. Why should I expect others to pay it off for me?

Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811569
03/02/23 11:53 PM
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about 250 years ago this was written and it remains true

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“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811578
03/03/23 12:04 AM
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Maybe we should take a hard look at loans that went to for-profit schools and non-accredited schools.

Surely there is school based data on student outcomes, employment, etc.

Industries should step up with programs to forgive debt for long term employees or critical employees. Some nursing jobs have this type on incentive, I know.

Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811580
03/03/23 12:05 AM
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Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811610
03/03/23 01:02 AM
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there should be a big tax incentive to companies to pay off students debt as part of thier salary pre tax as a buissness expense up to 10K a year say

so company is turning a profit , ok give employees who qualify a pre tax student debt payment ,make it something where you have to stay 2 years and your 3rd year you start getting 10K a year off your student debt paid by the company , might increase employee retention.

people who have it all paid off could be earning it in a education fund that they or their kids can use for tuition
probably et more people going back for a masters that way.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811613
03/03/23 01:08 AM
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Student loan forgiveness is a slap in the face of those college graduates who struggled and sacrificed in order to pay off their loans.

It's pure BS.


IF IDIOTS GREW ON TREES THIS PLACE WOULD BE AN ORCHARD !

Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7811640
03/03/23 02:10 AM
03/03/23 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
there should be a big tax incentive to companies to pay off students debt as part of thier salary pre tax as a buissness expense up to 10K a year say

so company is turning a profit , ok give employees who qualify a pre tax student debt payment ,make it something where you have to stay 2 years and your 3rd year you start getting 10K a year off your student debt paid by the company , might increase employee retention.

people who have it all paid off could be earning it in a education fund that they or their kids can use for tuition
probably et more people going back for a masters that way.


A company I worked at would pay it all , and you had to work there while in school and stay with the company 5 years after schooling was finished.
A very good system , a lot better than free basket weaving like Biden wants!


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811646
03/03/23 02:30 AM
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Slap in the face part two,.why should someone who did not enter college but chose to enter the workforce,..marry,raise children,.did everything right,.stayed out of debt,.payed their taxes,( rightfully complained),. now be on the hook for some that have entered into a contract of which they have no intention of honoring because a leadership of sorts has decided they do not need to do so?

Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811656
03/03/23 04:56 AM
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I paid as I attended college. Worked two jobs besides school for several years. Had no loan to pay
when the diploma was handed to me. The College of The Ozarks is a 100% work it off. The students
work on campus or the colleges numerous sites. Great success for the graduates for they realize what
work and dedication is. It is located near Branson MO. Extremely friendly to Veterans and Military.
Loan forgiveness is nothing more than buying votes! Just more handouts!
I spent my last 30 years in the work force with the Eaton Corporation. They paid for your college, but
you also put in your time. I took a few classes even though I had the degree. It enhanced my knowledge.
and was to their benefit.
Free College, look at California. Would not care to have my 401K based on their budgets.
Roy


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Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811670
03/03/23 06:03 AM
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It is just the demorats buying votes.

Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: trapNH] #7811685
03/03/23 06:42 AM
03/03/23 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by trapNH
It is just the demorats buying votes.


It’s not “just” buying votes. This thing will handicap recipients when they are seeking employment.


-Goofy
Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811710
03/03/23 07:42 AM
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We paid ours off, this freebie crap pisses me off.
Jim


Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.
Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7811723
03/03/23 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
there should be a big tax incentive to companies to pay off students debt as part of thier salary pre tax as a buissness expense up to 10K a year say




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No their shouldn't. It's the same thing.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: Tony1967] #7811738
03/03/23 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony1967
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Makes you wonder why people go to collage for if they come out and are so stupid they fall for this. Just further proof 90% of collage is a wast of time and money.

Toney your wife's debt forgiveness come with conditions of service x for so much time. They offer it becuse those jobs are undesirable yet need filled. Youer wife is working for her debt forgiveness. That much different than getting it given to you for free and stolen from someone else


Yes, we were in a program for 10 years to get this done. But she would have been working anyway, so why not take advantage of the program?

Originally Posted by trapdog1
Wife and I worked our butts off and paid our loans off. So should everybody else.


You’re saying that if you were eligible, you would have turned it down? Maybe, you would have…..but we didn’t see the point of turning it down when it helped our financial situation.


I paid mine and was eligible to have it forgiven. Wouldve felt like a free-loading mooch. Getting a bachelor degree is no great feat. Taxpayers shouldnt be responsible for me doing what the guidance counselors said was necessary in the early 2000’s.
Going to college “just because” is the stupidest thing shoved down kids throats.

Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811783
03/03/23 09:49 AM
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Congrats for not needing it…….

Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: cathryn] #7811814
03/03/23 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by cathryn
Student loan forgiveness is a slap in the face of those college graduates who struggled and sacrificed in order to pay off their loans.

It's pure BS.



What about those who worked their tail off and got through college without any student loans!

Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811838
03/03/23 10:41 AM
03/03/23 10:41 AM
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If you home school your kids are you exempt from school taxes?


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: Boco] #7811840
03/03/23 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
If you home school your kids are you exempt from school taxes?

Fat chance, you have to support the government schools.

Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: bowhunter27295] #7811845
03/03/23 10:45 AM
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Well then,they are just extending the current system to include post secondary.Or at least taking steps toward that end.

Last edited by Boco; 03/03/23 10:46 AM.

Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Student loan forgiveness issue [Re: Roy Greenfield] #7811852
03/03/23 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Roy Greenfield
I paid as I attended college. Worked two jobs besides school for several years. Had no loan to pay
when the diploma was handed to me. The College of The Ozarks is a 100% work it off. The students
work on campus or the colleges numerous sites. Great success for the graduates for they realize what
work and dedication is. It is located near Branson MO. Extremely friendly to Veterans and Military.
Loan forgiveness is nothing more than buying votes! Just more handouts!
I spent my last 30 years in the work force with the Eaton Corporation. They paid for your college, but
you also put in your time. I took a few classes even though I had the degree. It enhanced my knowledge.
and was to their benefit.
Free College, look at California. Would not care to have my 401K based on their budgets.
Roy


We went through that campus it's nice and o liked what that school was about. I was hoping my daughter would become interested in attending there. But she was 13 at the time. I remember thinking man I wish I knew about this school when I was 18.

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