How can I site a source to the great no all be all. But any way what's the plan for getting rid of those pesky women voters?

Get them married with kids. To good conservative men. That does wonders for their thinking.

Wolfie
Why don't you just clear it up and tell us if you believe the Bible or not? Do you believe it's the inspired word of God. That way no has to jump to conclusions.

What happened to the originals? wouldn't those early scribes have kept careful care of them? things were copied by hand because thats the only way it could be done. Some ancient jewish texts are still in existence. Seems odd the only reference material for new testament books comes from a monastery that had no originals?

Um, you do know the history of the area don't you?

And the Jewish population was exponentially larger than the Christian one and residing over a much larger area for a much longer period to boot. That's like asking for the Pentatuch in Moses' handwriting.

BTW, ever hear of Socrates? Considered the father of western philosophy and no contention at all whether he existed some 400 years before Christ. Yet we have not a single word that he ever wrote. All we know of him comes from the writings of his students Plato and Xenophon.

Actually, we do have ample examples of the New Testament from early on and over time to do a thorough comparison just how accurate through time hand copying from generation to generation stayed true and well it's quite accurate so there is no reason to assume the originals were any different than the earliest, most likely first generation, copies we do have.

You might want to reevaluate yourself.

200 plus years later is not first generation

Very true warrior, and many of the new testament writings were prophesying 70 ad distruction. 5800 Greek manuscripts over 2.6 million pages of biblical text . The average size of new testament manuscripts is 450 pages . Not including manuscripts in latin,coptic,syaic ,ext .
I guess everyone has to decide on there own. You can lead a horse

Maybe not 1st generation copy but possible. I got a rocking chair in my living room that my third great grandparents set up housekeeping with in 1860.

I consider biblical accuracy to be second only to the one question that must be answered of Christ Himself.

Either He is everything He said of Himself or He was stark raving mad. You can't square that circle any other way.

Seriously, Son of God? Either He is or isn't.

And likewise God's word either is wholly inerrant or none of it is.

Remember, logic?

They bible it in fact the the word of God. His gift to us. It is accurate and true period. In my life I questioned it in many ways. The biggest was catholic control of it for so long. But at the end of the say you either believe or you do not. If you believe you believe it all not just the parts you like or agree with.

It's quit simple yes you have the right to make your choices and have your opinions. But it's quite simple any time my opinions are different or stray from God's I'm wrong. It's that simple. God is in charge, he is never changing right and just. My salvation and his opening my eyes to see his truth is a gift from the grace of God. I do not deserve it, nothing I could ever do would make me worthy of receiving it. But it was a gift freely given to all who will accept Jesus death and scarafic to wash away our sin so when we stand on judgment day The father sees us as pure and sin less as Christ. Christ blood covers us and makes us clean. It's mind blowing but true.

I will pray for the believers to grow and strengthen in their conviction, knowledge and understanding, for those on the fence to gain clarity and for those with closed eyes and ears that their eyes and ears will be opened and they may be open to recieve the best free gift in the world along with the piece, understanding and fulfillment that come along with it.

Well yeah I do. However I have done a lot to try and make sure I and give myself the view point of somone from the outside looking in. Honestly to get into my entire thought process and believe system and why I think like I do would take a long time to explain and I have a feeling most just wouldn't be interested. KISS and all that

This reasoning is why I am where I am today. I know people were smarter back in the day than we are today, but no way will you ever convince me that Jesus' teachings was anything other than Devine. C.S. Lewis does a great job explaining it.

I tried numerous times to prove the Bible wrong, and I came up short; as all people do if they diligently try it. Thus, I believe without a doubt in my mind that Jesus Christ is exactly who He said He was and claimed to be......,born of a virgin, walked on water, performed miracles, rose from the dead after three days, and is sinful mankind's only Way to redemption. The Way, the Truth, and the Life.

I get it. Thank you. I was just interested I were you are coming from. More understanding one has the better they can serve.

Fully understandable, wolfdog. I kind of gather you like most of us in the Bible belt have heard alot of thumping in our time. And yes I include myself in that. Plus there's the whole splitting hairs of do we have a piano and organ in church or can women wear pants. And my favorite Baptist eleventh commandment, thou shalt not drink alcohol. LOL

Heck, board games weren't allowed in my granny's house because they had dice. A deck of cards, nope, but we stayed up late playing rook, lol.

And don't even get me into pre-trib, post-trib, etc.

All I know is I ain't God but there is a God above that loves me and I'll never understand why He does. He sent His Son for us to make all things right between Him and us.

And most days that's enough for me to understand.

The topic is care to counter this.



Except your going by accounts written more than 200 years later.

I can not see any difference in the wild tales of the bible, people being tossed into a furnace and living, a bear killing dozens of children for teasing a man about being bald, living three days in the belly of a fish, all completely unbelievable. Just like all the wild stories in every other religion. Put two believers of different religions in a room and they will turn inside out claiming their wild tales are true and the other guys are just false teaching.

its all the same thing from Indians in the Amazon to Hindus in Nepal.

You're stuck on that 200 years thing.

It was 72 hours for Thomas. He had just spent three years with the Guy, heard Him say what was going to happen multiple times yet when Thomas heard the news he refused to believe, not until he placed his finger into the nail wounds.

Thomas would later be killed in India shot to death with arrows. He traveled all the way to India to share the gospel.

You don't do that for an unbelievable wild story.

I've got a coloring book book I just finished up were I tell people you must only eat bacon cheese burgers and drink beer on Friday in July, I'm gonna pop back in about 2000 years to see if everyone is still following my instructions. Hoping for good results

All these other little g gods, any of them claim resurrection?

Mohammed, dead and still dead.
Buddha, dead and still dead.

Jesus, crucified, buried and risen again on the third day. Seen first by the twelve then by hundreds as he walked the earth for ninety days preaching and teaching before ascending into heaven.

Even Josephus documents those claims.