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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7842069
04/09/23 09:32 AM
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Carbon issue is made up in Washington. Bunch of BS.


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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: walleye101] #7842135
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Carbon capture credits, sounds like another great government program, designed to take more tax dollars from everyone and redistribute a small portion of it back to a few who "qualify" for an insignificant and unmeasurable impact on a problem we don't have. Where do I sign up.

Sounds about right.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7842163
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This whole carbon issue is in fact nothing more than a bunch of made up horse manure. Do a little factual in depth research and you will discover that the amount of CO2 emissions related to humans is an insignificant percentage compared to the overall emissions created by the earth itself. For one small instance, the amount of CO2 emitted from volcanic eruptions in just one year, is greater than all of mankind’s emissions over the past 60-70 years. And that still is like #3 on the natural emmiaions that have been happening since the dawn of time…


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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: Dirty D] #7842176
04/09/23 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Sounds like they want you to grow trees and not harvest trees. Having a forest full of large crowded mature trees with no herbaceous under story is a poor wildlife habitat.


That’s what it’s about, paying forest landowners not to cut their trees. A company called Bluesource recently purchased 52,000 acres of industrial timberland in my area. These forest created many jobs in the forest industry in my area. Now , Bluesource press release, stated they are not going to harvest mature trees, and they are going to let a forest be a forest.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7842187
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No point in having timber land if you can't use the timber.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: Dirty D] #7842443
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Sounds like they want you to grow trees and not harvest trees. Having a forest full of large crowded mature trees with no herbaceous under story is a poor wildlife habitat.

Mature forests process less carbon dioxide than younger growth forests. These people pushing this nonsense are ignorant and too stupid to care.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: 52Carl] #7842460
04/09/23 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Originally Posted by Dirty D
Sounds like they want you to grow trees and not harvest trees. Having a forest full of large crowded mature trees with no herbaceous under story is a poor wildlife habitat.

Mature forests process less carbon dioxide than younger growth forests. These people pushing this nonsense are ignorant and too stupid to care.



No, the people pushing this nonsense are getting rich beyond belief AND restricting the freedom of us peons.
Win:win for them!

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: Woodsloafer72] #7842505
04/09/23 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Woodsloafer72
No point in having timber land if you can't use the timber.

tell that to our oregon politicians. they just killed the harvest of thousands of acres of timber -- they didn't even have a carbon credit program--- yet they still expect us to pay taxes on the ground they have made of zero value.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: H2ORat] #7842519
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
Originally Posted by Woodsloafer72
No point in having timber land if you can't use the timber.

tell that to our oregon politicians. they just killed the harvest of thousands of acres of timber -- they didn't even have a carbon credit program--- yet they still expect us to pay taxes on the ground they have made of zero value.


Can you explain this more in depth? They banned logging on private tracts?

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7842747
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The forest practices act that our new york gov.and the big timber companies agreed upon -- without any representation from the small landowner. It changed alot of definitions and rules mostly regarding water and setbacks --- here in western oregon you can't throw a rock without it hitting a ditch, spring, or creek. My 20 acres has about 3 acres of doug fir -- harvested in 91 or so and replanted -- I will not be able to harvest 1 of those acres next time. Dad lives accros the street - he has 40 acres - of which about 6 are doug fir -- he lost about 4 of those 6 under the new regs.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7843897
04/11/23 10:55 PM
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Normally I think 'My Wisconsin Woods' is a very reputable & sound BMP non profit forestry organization. Maybe not anymore based on most of the feedback on this thread about this program they are encouraging. I don't live near the three counties that are applicable so I don't know anyone in this carbon program

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7843904
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There are many ways to manage a forest depending upon what you want form it.
I can see that there are forests that maybe allowing them to continue to mature and never harvest is an acceptable plan.
There were blocks of mature trees long before Europeans settled here and it would be nice to have some blocks of this type of environment around.
That doesn't mean that every block of forest should be treated this way.
It also means that not harvesting trees is not a waste of trees either.

To determine if a block is good for this plan would need to be decided on a case by case basis.
Obviously a block that has just been clear cut would be a poor one to allow to grow into a mature Climax forest. It would take centuries to get to that point.
But one that is pretty much there would be a good candidate to leave depending upon other factors.

All that aside the whole carbon scare is a scam in my mind.
This is just a part of it, I'll bet the landowner will get little from it while the traders and facilitators in carbon will be making the money all off a false assumption, that carbon is bad.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7844173
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You get pennies and some company gets dollars for using your trees/land for reducing their carbon footprint if its the same program as before by signing you are giving some entity a permanent easement across your property


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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7847736
04/18/23 12:21 AM
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The parts I read didn't say anything about a permanent easement or that it's just pennies on the dollar but I stopped reading it once I noticed my county isn't involved in the program.

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: H2ORat] #7847760
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Originally Posted by H2ORat
The forest practices act that our new york gov.and the big timber companies agreed upon -- without any representation from the small landowner. It changed alot of definitions and rules mostly regarding water and setbacks --- here in western oregon you can't throw a rock without it hitting a ditch, spring, or creek. My 20 acres has about 3 acres of doug fir -- harvested in 91 or so and replanted -- I will not be able to harvest 1 of those acres next time. Dad lives accros the street - he has 40 acres - of which about 6 are doug fir -- he lost about 4 of those 6 under the new regs.





Under my last dying breath, I would go through with a stihl 044 and cut every one on that 3 acres. A couple of years later someone would have great deer hunting.


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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7847761
04/18/23 02:45 AM
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And can you all guess which politician started this carbon credit crap? Hint- He is from Tennessee. One of the biggest scams ever.
Trees are a natural and RENEWABLE resource. The US has many fine educated and trained foresters that work along side biologists to decide what will benefit wildlife and forests. Then the politicians and tree huggers come along with new laws and lawsuits to put a stop to sensible forestry practices.


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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7851188
04/22/23 11:54 PM
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It would be interesting to hear from a landowner that's been in the program

Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7854080
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https://www.wpr.org/nation-now-has-inventory-old-growth-forests-some-hope-protections-will-follow

The second half of this article tells a lot about the program. After reading this article it seems pretty clear to me that the program wouldn't be for my property.

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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7854088
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There is a article in the recent successful farmer magazine that is worth reading.


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Re: A carbon program for landowners [Re: AJE] #7854114
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A goverment scam from the greenies.

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