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Re: Do ground rods?
[Re: 330-Trapper]
#7856429
04/30/23 10:57 AM
04/30/23 10:57 AM
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Green County Wisconsin
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Green County Wisconsin
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an all copper round rod would cost you a fortune
all the copper clad or coated rods are steel in the middle and are the common use in the unified electrical code
an all copper rod would not drive well , too soft
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Re: Do ground rods?
[Re: 330-Trapper]
#7856470
04/30/23 11:54 AM
04/30/23 11:54 AM
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Missouri
HayDay
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Missouri
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Now and then I'm forced to admit I don't know everything, but when it comes to ground rods for electric fencers, when I read some things floating around, I'm prone to calling BS on a lot of it.
An electric fence setup is simply a circuit.......hot wire side is the positive, earth ground.......literally the ground you stand upon is the ground.........animal touching both at same time is the switch that connects the two. As long as earth ground at the fencer is able to conduct same amount of juice at jolt point (thru animal), then circuit is complete and animal is going to feel it. That can be within line of sight or 50 miles away.
My point is when I read guys and instructions saying I have to pound in 3 or more ground rods at 20 foot intervals to get an electric fence to work is a stretch. I once took a charger into the Parmak office in KC (scary part of town), and while tec guys were repairing it, asked them to explain theory of all those ground rods and they couldn't do it. They just repeated the instructions.
For some temp fences, I hang the charger on a single steel post driven a foot or so in and attach ground wire to that with an alligator clip. My voltage tester still shows 13,000 volts........the max of the fence charger.......when I touch one lead to the fence and the other to earth. An animal doesn't have 20 feet of ground rod on his end either. There is good enough and once you get to there, more is not going to help.
Ground rod for electric service into a building is the same, but since that is a "love you long time" condition, where failure is not an option, that warrants the full meal deal.
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Re: Do ground rods?
[Re: gcs]
#7856494
04/30/23 12:26 PM
04/30/23 12:26 PM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Georgia
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Georgia
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I believe the 2-3 ground rod thing is for sketchy dry ground, I guess they figure at least one may get into proper soil.... I suspect that your right on that. Advising folks for a worst case scenario keeping in mind the conditions found in drier parts of the country. For most of the country east of the rockies finding soil with good moisture isn't a huge issue. That and possible consideration for lightning protection though they usually recommend a separate ground for that.
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Re: Do ground rods?
[Re: 330-Trapper]
#7856498
04/30/23 12:33 PM
04/30/23 12:33 PM
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Joined: Jan 2008
Alaska and Washington State
waggler
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Alaska and Washington State
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Galvanization will usually rapidly eroded away in the ground due to electrolysis, resulting in various kinds of corrosion. Temporary use would be fine though. Owner-builders just keep un mind; "there is nothing so permanent as temporary".
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Re: Do ground rods?
[Re: HayDay]
#7856499
04/30/23 12:36 PM
04/30/23 12:36 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Minnesota
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OP
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Minnesota
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Now and then I'm forced to admit I don't know everything, but when it comes to ground rods for electric fencers, when I read some things floating around, I'm prone to calling BS on a lot of it.
An electric fence setup is simply a circuit.......hot wire side is the positive, earth ground.......literally the ground you stand upon is the ground.........animal touching both at same time is the switch that connects the two. As long as earth ground at the fencer is able to conduct same amount of juice at jolt point (thru animal), then circuit is complete and animal is going to feel it. That can be within line of sight or 50 miles away.
My point is when I read guys and instructions saying I have to pound in 3 or more ground rods at 20 foot intervals to get an electric fence to work is a stretch. I once took a charger into the Parmak office in KC (scary part of town), and while tec guys were repairing it, asked them to explain theory of all those ground rods and they couldn't do it. They just repeated the instructions.
For some temp fences, I hang the charger on a single steel post driven a foot or so in and attach ground wire to that with an alligator clip. My voltage tester still shows 13,000 volts........the max of the fence charger.......when I touch one lead to the fence and the other to earth. An animal doesn't have 20 feet of ground rod on his end either. There is good enough and once you get to there, more is not going to help.
Ground rod for electric service into a building is the same, but since that is a "love you long time" condition, where failure is not an option, that warrants the full meal deal. It's not Just for animals.... It's more for transferring the lightning hit energy go into the Ground somewhere before getting to your Fencer box. I had one 6 joule fencer box that lasted 16 years because of proper ground rod placement also Lightning diverters on the other end of the pasture from the box.
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Re: Do ground rods?
[Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE]
#7856533
04/30/23 01:20 PM
04/30/23 01:20 PM
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Joined: Nov 2014
east central WI
Dirty D
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east central WI
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an all copper round rod would cost you a fortune
all the copper clad or coated rods are steel in the middle and are the common use in the unified electrical code
an all copper rod would not drive well , too soft Solid copper rod 1/2 dia x 6ft long is about $150. I have used solid copper rods and had no issues with pounding them in as long as you don't hit a rock.
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Re: Do ground rods?
[Re: 330-Trapper]
#7856535
04/30/23 01:23 PM
04/30/23 01:23 PM
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Joined: Nov 2017
West Central MN
20scout
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West Central MN
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I have one I would give you but think the current price of gas might make that impractical.
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