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Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858745 05/03/23 06:07 PM 05/03/23 06:07 PM
Joined: May 2009 Maryland's Eastern Shore M mud trapper
mud trapper M Joined: May 2009 Maryland's Eastern Shore	40,000 offered in the preliminary release on beaver. April is autism awareness month. Nearly 1 in every 100 children are born with an autism spectrum disorder.. 1 in 100. Stop and think about it...please

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858747 05/03/23 06:10 PM 05/03/23 06:10 PM
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Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	Back in the day the same beaver pelt sold 5 times at different auctions by speculators who all made money. Thats how it works in the fur trade on a rising market. Last edited by Boco; 05/03/23 06:10 PM. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858749 05/03/23 06:12 PM 05/03/23 06:12 PM
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mike mason trapper M Joined: Apr 2012 new york	Originally Posted by wy.wolfer Originally Posted by mike mason How far down is the harvest from 1980 levels? In 1980 I was working at HBC Montreal and buyers like Ben Kahn, Revillon, and Scheflin-Reich along with brokers like Sam Levin were buying big. Hudson's Bay that year sold 1,237,000 beaver pelts through the auction and private treaty. That didn't include Canadian brokers like Murray Lippman, among many others. I don't know what Ontario Trappers sold then but it was a LOT more than today. I'd guess 1980 beaver pelt sales at 2.5-3 million pelts. FHA this year along with Groenewold and assorted buyers may be 7 - 8% of 1980's take, assuming Groeny buys and sells as much as FHA. I'm an optimist for the next 3-5 years, then fashion may change. Almost unbelievable numbers! The catch really dropped hard, think there are enough trappers to get to that level again?

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858755 05/03/23 06:22 PM 05/03/23 06:22 PM
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gibb trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario	Peak harvest in Ontario alone was 205,000 beaver in 1979/1980 season. The average harvest for Ontario all during the 1980's was 150,000 per season. Todays harvest in Ontario 28,000. We have a long way to go.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858761 05/03/23 06:35 PM 05/03/23 06:35 PM
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Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak	Originally Posted by wy.wolfer Originally Posted by mike mason How far down is the harvest from 1980 levels? In 1980 I was working at HBC Montreal and buyers like Ben Kahn, Revillon, and Scheflin-Reich along with brokers like Sam Levin were buying big. Hudson's Bay that year sold 1,237,000 beaver pelts through the auction and private treaty. That didn't include Canadian brokers like Murray Lippman, among many others. I don't know what Ontario Trappers sold then but it was a LOT more than today. I'd guess 1980 beaver pelt sales at 2.5-3 million pelts. FHA this year along with Groenewold and assorted buyers may be 7 - 8% of 1980's take, assuming Groeny buys and sells as much as FHA. I'm an optimist for the next 3-5 years, then fashion may change. What was driving the market in 1980? Who is John Galt?

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858765 05/03/23 06:47 PM 05/03/23 06:47 PM
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Jtrapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Alabama (Bama for short) 108 y...	What was driving the market in 1980? Garments i imagine, coat coon and everything else was made into coats not wrist cuffs and trim. Not my circus, not my clowns.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858772 05/03/23 07:09 PM 05/03/23 07:09 PM
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beaverpeeler trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	Oregon is producing roughly 10% of the beaver now than what we harvested in the early 1980's. These are things I like to pay attention to. Part of it is (these days) there are few trappers that know how to produce and handle volume beaver. It's a dying art. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: gibb] #7858778 05/03/23 07:22 PM 05/03/23 07:22 PM
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160user trapper 1 Joined: Jan 2007 MN	Originally Posted by gibb Peak harvest in Ontario alone was 205,000 beaver in 1979/1980 season. The average harvest for Ontario all during the 1980's was 150,000 per season. Todays harvest in Ontario 28,000. We have a long way to go. Reduction in the take is exactly the reason that there is a need for nuisance trappers now. "Fur" trappers can no longer control the populations due to expenses and fur prices. I have nothing clever to put here.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: Boco] #7858867 05/03/23 09:07 PM 05/03/23 09:07 PM
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Shakeyjake trapper Joined: Jun 2022 Manitoba	Originally Posted by Boco Back in the day the same beaver pelt sold 5 times at different auctions by speculators who all made money. Thats how it works in the fur trade on a rising market. Interesting. Still haven’t read the book on my shelf on the fur trade. The Russians like beaver coats, but I guess they’re stuck with their own beavs…..unless there’s a black market for beaver. But I guess a Chinese buyer could sell their pile to them. Do they have to sign an end user agreement like weapons? lol Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858914 05/03/23 09:42 PM 05/03/23 09:42 PM
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gibb trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Timmins Ontario	In the 1980's we had a North American domestic market that had many European immigrants from the second world war that ran retail fur stores in just about every large town and city that made garments. The movie Urban Cowboy came out and drove the hatter market for 10 years. Europe especially Western Germany was a huge buyer of fur. Sadly the retail garment market raised their kids to be lawyers and doctors and one by one closed down. Montreal had at least 50 manufactures of shear beaver garments, today maybe 5. Then China got into the game. Like everything else they do they run everyone else out of the game and cheap everything down.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7858918 05/03/23 09:52 PM 05/03/23 09:52 PM
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Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak	Sounds like garments drove the market for good beaver? Who is John Galt?

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7859059 05/04/23 06:21 AM 05/04/23 06:21 AM
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mike mason trapper M Joined: Apr 2012 new york	I read once where the European people had bigger stature than the Asian people and they could wear beaver coats. The beaver coat felt too heavy to the Asian consumer.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: mike mason] #7859212 05/04/23 09:32 AM 05/04/23 09:32 AM
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Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Armpit, ak	Originally Posted by mike mason I read once where the European people had bigger stature than the Asian people and they could wear beaver coats. The beaver coat felt too heavy to the Asian consumer. Sheared ranch mink is probably not as heavy. According to Herman the sheared beaver market went to the ranchers. Sorry, if this story is rancher bashing. Who is John Galt?

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: Dirt] #7859216 05/04/23 09:40 AM 05/04/23 09:40 AM
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Donnersurvivor trapper D Joined: Jan 2018 MN	Originally Posted by Dirt Originally Posted by mike mason I read once where the European people had bigger stature than the Asian people and they could wear beaver coats. The beaver coat felt too heavy to the Asian consumer. Sheared ranch mink is probably not as heavy. According to Herman the sheared beaver market went to the ranchers. Sorry, if this story is rancher bashing. Beyond weight mink has other advantages. Consistent supply and various colors being the main ones.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7859287 05/04/23 11:37 AM 05/04/23 11:37 AM
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beaverpeeler trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	Sheared beaver can be dyed as well. The main issue is the weight. During the late 70's nutria coats were extremely popular in Europe. I saw tons of them in France in 1978. Advantage to sheared nutria was how light they are and every bit as beautiful as beaver imho. Last edited by beaverpeeler; 05/04/23 11:38 AM. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7859300 05/04/23 12:06 PM 05/04/23 12:06 PM
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beaverpeeler trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	One interesting thing I've been looking at is the auction quantities of beaver from the last couple of years. As we know, the March sale this year had only 31,000 beaver. Compare this to 53,000 for the first 2022 sale, and 75,000 for the first 2021 sale. Could it be that those kinds of numbers had enough hatter quantities (the gd dmg stuff) to satisfy the market? IN other words it remains to be known how much of the current doubling of prices over June of last year is due to short supply and how much is increased demand from the felt trade. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7859308 05/04/23 12:13 PM 05/04/23 12:13 PM
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Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	You cant judge the harvest by auction quantities. Many pelts are re consigned goods that get carried over and added to current consignments.Pelts consigned from middle men have already been bought and sold at least once also. The only way to know what is actually produced in any given time is from harvest reports. In some cases in the past on rising markets pelts were bought by speculators and re consigned on a subsequent auction without ever leaving the building. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7859358 05/04/23 01:38 PM 05/04/23 01:38 PM
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beaverpeeler trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Oregon	I'm just saying that we can see that there were more goods available to bid on. There must have started to be some panic starting in when felters reportedly didn't get all they wanted in last year's June sale, and then when they saw only about half the normal amount of beaver for this March's sale the panic was realized. Results are: prices doubled over last June. My fear of moving stairs is escalating!

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: beaverpeeler] #7859387 05/04/23 02:36 PM 05/04/23 02:36 PM
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mike mason trapper M Joined: Apr 2012 new york	Originally Posted by beaverpeeler Sheared beaver can be dyed as well. The main issue is the weight. During the late 70's nutria coats were extremely popular in Europe. I saw tons of them in France in 1978. Advantage to sheared nutria was how light they are and every bit as beautiful as beaver imho. I saw a sheared nutria coat at Zanders last year and it was beautiful.

Re: Is the beaver market going to run out of steam [Re: wy.wolfer] #7859388 05/04/23 02:39 PM 05/04/23 02:39 PM
Joined: Apr 2012 new york M mike mason trapper
mike mason trapper M Joined: Apr 2012 new york	Originally Posted by wy.wolfer Originally Posted by mike mason How far down is the harvest from 1980 levels? In 1980 I was working at HBC Montreal and buyers like Ben Kahn, Revillon, and Scheflin-Reich along with brokers like Sam Levin were buying big. Hudson's Bay that year sold 1,237,000 beaver pelts through the auction and private treaty. That didn't include Canadian brokers like Murray Lippman, among many others. I don't know what Ontario Trappers sold then but it was a LOT more than today. I'd guess 1980 beaver pelt sales at 2.5-3 million pelts. FHA this year along with Groenewold and assorted buyers may be 7 - 8% of 1980's take, assuming Groeny buys and sells as much as FHA. I'm an optimist for the next 3-5 years, then fashion may change. I don't think we could produce that number of beaver with the trappers we have today.

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