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Bee keepers. Flow hive #7868725
05/20/23 01:19 PM
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Anyone got experience with one of these ?
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Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: Wolfdog91] #7868741
05/20/23 01:39 PM
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Don't do it.

Search for threads as I've explained why many times.


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Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: Wolfdog91] #7868751
05/20/23 01:52 PM
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Warrior how much honey do you think people with those get that is not ready to be caped and goes bad? Before I was a bee keeper I thought the flow hives were going to be the way to go. Now that I have been keeping bees a a few years they seem like a bad idea on so many levels.

Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: Wolfdog91] #7868754
05/20/23 01:54 PM
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They look cool to me but I'm not a bee keeper.

Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: Wolfdog91] #7868755
05/20/23 01:55 PM
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I would guess a good bit since there's no easy way to pull flow frames for inspection.


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Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: Wolfdog91] #7868825
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It’s meant for bee havers, ( folks afraid of their bees ) , not beekeepers.

Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: Providence Farm] #7868829
05/20/23 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Warrior how much honey do you think people with those get that is not ready to be caped and goes bad? Before I was a bee keeper I thought the flow hives were going to be the way to go. Now that I have been keeping bees a a few years they seem like a bad idea on so many levels.



That seems to be the norm. New keeper gets a flow hive and within a few seasons they are in conventional equipment, if they even still keep bees. Most are two years and done.


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It’s a bad joke for both bees and beekeepers.
Don’t do it.

Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: Wolfdog91] #7869034
05/20/23 10:49 PM
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I have heard a lot of negative comments about flow hives.

What I have never heard is why they are so bad.

In other words people say they suck. but, won't say why. Until I am convinced differently, I figure they might just be a decent option to new beekeepers.


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Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: Wolfdog91] #7869044
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Looks like you'd get alot of unwelcome visitors in your jars of honey but I'm no bee keeper either


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Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: T-Rex] #7869067
05/21/23 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
I have heard a lot of negative comments about flow hives.

What I have never heard is why they are so bad.

In other words people say they suck. but, won't say why. Until I am convinced differently, I figure they might just be a decent option to new beekeepers.



My take. 1. You have to be able to easily go through your hive doing inspections frame by frame. When doing so I'm looking for young eggs and or the queen, population, small hive beetles, and testing for mites. These don't appear to have easy access to do so.

2. Honey needs to be 80% caped min before harvesting it. If not the moisture content is to high and it will go bad.
BUT I have never seen the inside if a flow hive. That's just my first thoughts looking at them since becoming a bee keeper and knowing what all is involved in successfully keeping bees.

Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: T-Rex] #7869082
05/21/23 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
I have heard a lot of negative comments about flow hives.

What I have never heard is why they are so bad.

In other words people say they suck. but, won't say why. Until I am convinced differently, I figure they might just be a decent option to new beekeepers.


They promote a "hands off" attitude and approach to beekeeping. Hands off is a death sentence for the bees considering the ever present problem of varroa mites.
Bees must be managed to ensure their health and that requires regular hands on inspection.

BEES HATE PLASTIC. Or more appropriately bees prefer natural beeswax comb to the point of not accepting anything else. They can be made to work plastic but that is an experienced beekeeper trick not something a new beekeeper would be expected to know. The flow hive does a work around by using only a single deep brood creating a crowded condition which is one of the tricks. But nowhere is that explained nor are the potential negative side effects.

Movable parts in the interior of the colony are not natural. Bees are rednecks with their own duct tape, propolis. If it moves and it ain't supposed to they propolize it. Eventually those nice and expensive frames will be rendered inoperable and require replacement. They can not be easily repaired.
Compare to a standard frame of drawn comb with can remain is service for decades and is easily repaired.

The flow frames are large hollow cavities, ideal hiding places for pests. Namely, Small Hive Beetle.

And as mentioned no easy way to determine the moisture content of the honey prior to harvest. 18% is the target number, above that honey will ferment and spoil. The bees know how to tell and will cap over honey that has properly cured. We beekeepers use those cappings as a visual measure of time to harvest. And not all honey on a frame is cured equally so you may have cured and uncured on the same frame. Standard frames can be easily and quickly visually checked prior to harvest and can just as easily be sorted into ready or not ready to harvest. Not so for the flow frames. Not only can the state of capping not be easily seen they can't readily be sorted either.

Big word, thixotrophic, or a liquid that is a gel at rest. Some honeys are thixotrophic, heather most notably, and will not flow unless agitated. For some even conventional extraction equipment is of no use.
Of more common occurrence is granulation. Some honeys are so quick to granulate, looking at you canola and all your brassica relatives, that they will granulate in the comb as quickly as it's cured. Not a problem for the bees since they just add water and eat. Problem for both standard extraction and moreso for the flow frames.

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Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: Wolfdog91] #7869105
05/21/23 06:23 AM
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I ain't know bee keeper I thought it was a honey still grin

Re: Bee keepers. Flow hive [Re: T-Rex] #7869249
05/21/23 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
... Until I am convinced differently, I figure they might just be a decent option to new beekeepers.
I figured that might bring a few facts to the table.

Thank you, Warrior


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