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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872546
05/26/23 11:00 PM
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The 2nd was intended to stop what is going on today. I don't need any judge or politician to interpret "shall not be infringed".

All this BS has nothing to do with "public safety". It's about the fact they have to disarm us before they enslave us.

They can all kiss my sewer pipe!

Last edited by Dragger; 05/26/23 11:21 PM.

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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872547
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This is a huge decision by SCOTUS that reverses nearly 40 years of precedence; bad precedence I might add. There are many other implications than just how the ATF acts. It will rein in all sort of governmental agencies that have been creating laws, without having the authority to do so.
It's just too bad it's taken 40 years to correct these unconstitutional actions by Federal agencies.


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: waggler] #7872551
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Originally Posted by waggler
This is a huge decision by SCOTUS that reverses nearly 40 years of precedence; bad precedence I might add. There are many other implications than just how the ATF acts. It will rein in all sort of governmental agencies that have been creating laws, without having the authority to do so.
It's just too bad it's taken 40 years to correct these unconstitutional actions by Federal agencies.


..and our elected officials will actually have to do their job. Passing off their responsibility also passes off accountability.


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872555
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Treasonous? I am in favor of pubic hangings for crimes against our constitution.

Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872595
05/27/23 05:37 AM
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This is a huge decision by SCOTUS that reverses nearly 40 years of precedence; bad precedence I might add. There are many other implications than just how the ATF acts. It will rein in all sort of governmental agencies that have been creating laws, without having the authority to do so.


we will see

andrew jackson was the first president to say let the supreme court enforce their decision.


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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Finster] #7872596
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Fifth ammendment says: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"

Try saying you dont want to be a witness against yourself on tax day

Try saying you dont want to be a witness against yourself when the nice truck enforcement officer wants to see a log book

Try saying you don't want to be a witness against yourself when the nice tax man wants to know how many vehicles and boats you own.

Big brother will do whatever big brother wants to do.

Last edited by danny clifton; 05/27/23 05:51 AM.

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Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: warrior] #7872718
05/27/23 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Marty
why? I did not watch the video.

the atf follows the executive branch orders not scotus.



No, SCOTUS cannot issue orders to the ATF but they can absolutely strip them of Chevron Deference powers and restore the Rule of Leniety.

Chevron Deference is a past SCOTUS ruling that basically says where Congressional legislation is vague in definition or instruction then deference is granted to federal agencies to freely interpret as they will when it comes to rule making.

Whereas the Rule of Leniety says that where there is a grey area then all due deference must go to the citizen, especially when questions of constitutional rights or criminal penalty are involved.

The case in question here doesn't even involve the ATF at all. Instead the EPA and Corps of Engineers got a nine/ought slap down in a Waters of the United States case over a wetlands ruling the EPA had made. They prosecuted a couple for dumping gravel in a mud hole on their property.

Two things came out of it, the first is that "wetlands" governed under the legislation must be actually attached to navigable waters and second that the EPA does not have rule making power outside of what is specifically in the congressional legislation. If grey area they don't have the authority.

This most obviously can be applied to the ATF in the current brace rule over reach or the recently overturned bumpstock ban.

It almost certainly will have wide reaching effect on the multiplicity of unelected alphabet agencies making up rules out of whole cloth.


This made me laugh. Thank you.

Re: THE ATF IS IN BIG TROUBLE...SCOTUS Decision [Re: Marty] #7872776
05/27/23 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Marty
in todays world within the usa you can count on government agencies overreaching their authority regularly. state agencies also. most people do not have the funds to hold them accountable..

Look at Merrit Garland and his attacks on Parents claiming they are Domestic Terrorists. The ATF FBI and DOJ are all Corrupt Communists. Hitlers Gestapos were not any worst.


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