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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7876581
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where I live the dnr has volunteers pull it out of the public land. I don't know much about the plant its self but it seems to be keeping it slightly contained in the areas they pull.


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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7877224
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I've been pulling it but some of it is hard to get the roots. It's very dry here the past 2 weeks. I think they say you're supposed to get the roots but yet I was also reading that if you do it at the right time you can weed whack it so I'm not following something because you wouldn't get the roots if a person weed whacks it

I wonder if the seed pods are viable yet..
It might be too late in the year for me to Roundup the garlic mustard (GM).

I signed up for an invasive seminar on June 15th but I can't wait that long I don't think to deal with this GM

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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7877561
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I'm at my hunting property today and discovered what appears to be garlic mustard on my access trail. It's weird though because it's all really short but it has the flowers and what appears to be the seed pods

[Linked Image]

Update: actually, maybe today's finding is a different member of the mustard family, like mouse ear cress

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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: jebediah] #7878363
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Originally Posted by jebediah
where I live the dnr has volunteers pull it out of the public land. I don't know much about the plant its self but it seems to be keeping it slightly contained in the areas they pull.

I pulled most of it but there's a couple thickets of it left in my neighbors ditch that was too much for me to pull. The flowers fell off this weekend. Maybe I enter the 2 thickets this week & cut the top of the plants off & throw 'em in a garbage bag

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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7878416
06/05/23 12:34 AM
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I have been dealing with garlic mustard since I bought this place in 2015. I have 20 acres of woods.
I have never found GM in the approx 5-6 acres of open fields or prairie type habitat, too much competition I suspect.

Good and bad news.

Good news is some of the patches I have eliminated it., its gone and has not come back in several years.
Bad news in other patches I have not been successful. In fact this year one patch was at its worst yet. This after 4 years of work.

It seems as tho some of the patches must of been around for a while and have a good seed bank while others the patch must of just been starting when I caught it.
The younger patches will disappear after one or two years of pulling.

as for the older patches I have sprayed with glyphosate and it killed all the plants but next year they were back and years later back worse than ever.
I think spraying with glyphosate is a bad practice, yes you kill the GM but you also kill the competitors that make it easier for GM to thrive. As long as there are seeds in the seed bank they will be back.

Thru the years I have settled on pulling GM by hand starting as soon as the ground is soft. The young plants are easy to ID. The only thing that looks similar is some vilolets. And a sure way to tell is break off a tiny piece of leave and taste it. GM has a distinct taste.
I will pull them any time I find them. I am always on the look out and I occasionally will find one large lone plant with seed this time of year that I will pull. Not getting all the roots at this point seems to work.

I have seen patches that have very small plants with very minimal flowers, these are usually in areas with lots of competition form other plants. These areas can be tough to eliminate as finding all the really small flowering seeding plants can be hard.

Finding patches with large obvious plants is easier to eliminate.

Another thing that I do according to any source that has studied it is burning hurts garlic mustard. I burn as much of my woods as I can every year. I have been doing it in spring but am switching to fall burning for various reasons. I'd like to get to the point that all the woods gets burned every fall.

I spend alot of time in my woods, cutting firewood, thinning trees, burning, prepping and seeding more areas every year, 6 days a week walking thru on the way to get the mail, watering to help establish new plants, maintaining and working on trails and on and on.
I know my woods very intimately. I know every spot that has had a patch of GM and I check them at least once a month and I'll pull any I find. But still I find the occasional single plant or group of 1/2 to a dozen plants. Its a never ending job that as a responsible land owner I've come to accept.

Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7878771
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Excellent post Dirty D, thanks for your insight. I'm trying to learn fast regarding this garlic mustard.

Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7878798
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Get the boy scouts to pull it for an environmental merit badge.

Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7878850
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I removed a bunch tonight. How do I know if the seeds are viable yet? I assume the seeds are in those green pods. I carefully broke 1 open tonight over my bag & I didn't see any seed in it. I thought I heard black seeds are visible in it once the seeds are viable. Some of the plants were less than a foot tall, others probably 3'. If they aren't viable yet maybe I should just take a disc trimmer to it

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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7878863
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Originally Posted by AJE
I removed a bunch tonight. How do I know if the seeds are viable yet? I assume the seeds are in those green pods. I carefully broke 1 open tonight over my bag & I didn't see any seed in it. I thought I heard black seeds are visible in it once the seeds are viable. Some of the plants were less than a foot tall, others probably 3'. If they aren't viable yet maybe I should just take a disc trimmer to it


Good question, I wish I knew.
my take is pull them and toss them in the trash to be disposed of else where. I know your looking for an easier route, cutting with the trimmer, but as for me I wouldn't take the chance of spreading hundreds of thousands of seeds all over the place with a trimmer.

the old axiom is appropriate, "better safe than sorry".

Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7878871
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It's been kind of hard to pull it all out and get the roots too, perhaps because it's so darn dry here. Tonight I resorted to taking a scissors, cutting it off near the ground & carefully bagging up the part that supposedly has all the seeds. I wonder if that will work

https://www.eekwi.org/plants/garlic-mustard#:~:text=Seeds%20germinate%20(begin%20to%20grow,a%20rapidly%20spreading%20woodland%20weed

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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7880327
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Here is a screenshot of an interesting option:

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'Might work on other invasives too, I am not sure

Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7880332
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Originally Posted by AJE
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That would look good in my = Ex -girlfriend’s garden ! LoL!

Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: Lufkin Trapper] #7880337
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Originally Posted by Lufkin Trapper
Spread the word that eating or smoking it will get you high, then just stand back and watch it disappear.

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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: mike mason] #7880341
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Originally Posted by mike mason
Get the boy scouts to pull it for an environmental merit badge.


good luck with that , finding enough scouts to get much of anything done any more

my son still hates the annual pulling of garlic mustard at scout camp it was a camp out every spring go camp and pull garlic mustard and he hasn't been in scouts in about 7 years

since the camp was/is technically city owned land outside the city it kept it out of the hands of BSA councils miss management any one can go there but only the scouts have the key to the gate to drive in and have their buildings there

the camp I attended as a kid was sold , it was irreplaceable my dad had attended the same camp. the land that they had private lake , square mile or more of land , river access , islands to hold OA events on it was very cool and all gone to pay some executive or lawsuit .


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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7881442
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I don't know if we still have a scout troop in town. I don't hear anything about it anymore. Kids don't seem to hang out outside as much as they used to

Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: Trapper7] #7883575
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by Lufkin Trapper
Spread the word that eating or smoking it will get you high, then just stand back and watch it disappear.

laugh

I can't imagine eating it

Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7883657
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I would blame Trump and have him indicted for spreading it. I better quit saying this. BC will jump on that Band Wagon!!!


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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7884185
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I do not know who's fault it is. I filled another bag tonight. DNR says it is 1-4' tall. The 1 footers are tough to find b/c ya have to sift thru the thick grass to remove it, once an outbreak is discovered.

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Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7885549
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I learned a ton at today's forestry/invasives seminar at Ft McCoy. Some experts travelled several hours to share their insight. That said, this isn't an exact science & no one has all the answers.

Re: Fear came true: Garlic mustard [Re: AJE] #7885558
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With that said, I think you should take up fishing! Probably more fun than pulling weeds

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