I will believe that when i see it.More likely price will drop once the market is flooded next year with summer beaver,and they will avg down to recoup losses.
Oh well,back to tanning them again the inventory will need a boost by then since none went to the tanner this year.

Don't make me be positive again. It hurts.

Boco, you beating your head against the wall with this crowd and it’s gonna start hurting soon. Pushing cheap low grades through with winter grades does not make summer pelts have equal value for the end user. If trappers really thought summer pelts were the cats meow they would be scraping and stretching for maximum return. I’m thinking your prediction of a flood out will be sooner than later. I doubt SW is the only trapper catching summer beaver and chunking in the freezer.

Good grief guys! Not a single trapper, including me, believes summer beaver are the "cat's meow". And we sure as heck ain’t gonna start scraping and boarding them. But, some of us are gonna sell them as long as there is a buyer....get over it!

This discussion started with Boco saying summer beaver had no underfur, was useless for felt, and therefore had no value. He is wrong and seems to be aggravated because a trapper is selling those beaver into the beaver felt market...somehow damaging the livelihood of the current market.

There are not as many summer beaver trappers saving the pelts as you think. It's not even a blip of the total southern numbers.

What you're referring to as "cheap" low grades found a niche in the current market with averages similar to your Virginia beaver and almost as high as many Canadian beaver. The only ones beating their heads against the wall are you and Boco...wondering why this is happening.

I will keep selling them as long as there is a buyer..... instead of pitching them. Skinning is easy and I gland them amd remove tails anyway. If this beaver market is so fragile that a few flat, thin-furred southern beavs can disrupt it, then yall need to buy more coon, fox, or coyote traps. Better yet...yall need to be getting them while the gettins' good.

I've poured a lot of "cheap" southern fur into the pipeline over the years, for decent prices, but I've never "pushed" any thru the pipeline. The buyers did that. I just returned home and cashed the fur check.

Swampwolf..keep doing what you are doing. Of you're catching them and can sell them..sell them.

If they wanna be mad at someone they should be mad at groenwood for buying southern fur at the price he's paying. We all know he aint gonna pay good money for fur of no value.

Its worth what someone will pay for it and groenwold has set the price.


WHAT MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW IS That groenwold processes the beaver he buys into felt at his own felt facility here in the states and then sells the felt..already made..he also makes and wool felt.

So the Australians or whoever else..are.buying the FELT not the hides.

A buyer we've sold beaver fur to in the past said he sends his beaver over seas to be processed Into felt then he markets the felt by the pound..and he says there is a southern and northern felt when he goes to sells and its sold separately by the pound.

He knows the beaver market and I trust his word.

If they wanna be mad at someone they need to be mad at Grownwold and whoever else is buying the southern beaver ..they obviously have value or he wouldn't be buying them

When rabbit production picks up again ..and they can get a bit pelts for felt..the beaver felt market will crash regardless of how many beaver are caught.

I think the issue is that alot of these guys didn't trap beaver when the beaver market was down..and now that it's up they wanna go out and catch something fall and try to g2t their piece of the high beaver markt..and they're afraid you're gonna knock them out of a market come fall.

And all they had to do. To capitalize on the market was the same as Jerry and you and a few others guys did..and trap the beaver even when theyre selling cheap.

Because if ya ain't got it to sell when they selling good..too bad for them..
They screwed themselves and are really..if honest..kickin themselves in the butt thinking they wished theyd trapped beaver.....you keep on doing you and smile when when you cash those checks!

The video referred to was made at a different time and in a different market.
The graded beaver market is a thing of the past for the beaver market for the forseeable near future.

I give it 2 years..TOPS..and not because Swamp Wolf is catching a Few southern summer beaver.

I know what I'm talking about tooo......... no BS

I didnt know for sure if GFW processed the felt and sold the felt only. I thought they did, but didn’t want to mention something I wasn't sure about. This seriously weakens the argument of poor pelts being inter-sorted with good pelts and the end buyer getting screwed.

No...this don't weaken the argument...it kills it dead.

Thanks for playing Boco and NWS!

When the auction intersorts poor pelts with good pelts it is the trapper with good pelts that get screwed. Just sayin!

I agree^^^but no pelts being sorted here....just a big bale of felt. Wonder what is done with all that leather...

Plus they got that poncho guy running their weird fleshing machine that you can’t quite see in the video. I’m picturing a planer…lol
I betcha if he would’ve called that guy poncho one more time he woulda ate a knuckle sandwich! I’d take him to HR if I was that guy

Dead right in this market swampwolf.. and
My understanding is that the glue and glove market get the leather but that, I can't swear too

Dirt..you'd be right in another market but even in that market.southern fur has value..I know for a fact cause Jerry sells a boatload of it every seaaon.

Idont know who you are talking about but I had 100 beaver on the last sale.
And I dont just trap beaver.
And they wernt all bought at the auction by groany,lol.
And the felt market has changed little if any in the last few hundred years except for mechanization.
Like the felter in the vid said-If you are shipping beaver with no underfur(summer beaver) and think that is what the felters need you couldnt be further from the truth.
Play it again you will hear him.
And the science in the WFMC shows that summer beaver during anagen have almost no underfur.

Sad ain't it Boco?

I'm happy for you swamp, even if Boco ain't.

Au contraire I was very happy with my fur cheque.Especially my marten and lynx.
Bottom line is it doesnt matter where a beaver comes from,north or south.
A beaver during its anagen phase(starting to grow fur) of hair/fur growth CAN NOT have the same amount of fur as a beaver during its Catagen phase(fully grown out)
If someone is paying the same for a summer pelt(flat) as they are for a winter pelt(semi/hvy) it is like someone buying 10 bottles of beer for 4 bucks each,and some are full and some are almost empty.
This will hurt the industry.

Now if you are too thick to get it,sorry,I dont have any crayons to try to draw you a picture.

Oh I get that you are puzzled by how a beaver buyer (that is doing their own felting in house) and selling the felt only is paying so well for flat beaver. Very comparable $$ to those good'uns up your way...especially considering there is almost no time involved in prepping them for sale, other than skinning.

I can't really explain it either. A bale of felt that took 1000 southern beavers to make and a bale of felt that took 500 northern beaver to make. Who is being hurt. GFW may go the waynof NAFA......who knows??

Read again-not northern vs southern.

I 100% agree that a prime beaver pelt is better furred than an unprime pelt....Southern or Northern.

But, your NAFA video guy is wrong. There is felt on these beaver. Nobody is making them buy these beaver. It's a free market. And buying them they are....and felting them themselves....and selling that "un-prime" beaver felt you say don't exist..to make hats....same as they're doing with most of your prime beaver. Your's has more felt per pelt, but it's not reflected in the price you're receiving. Not my fault that there is a buyer that can make $$ doing that. You guys woth a much better pelt are losing.

No that guy is not wrong.
And neither is the science.

You need underfur for felt and it aint there in summer beaver.
Like he said if you think your summer beaver are felters you could not be further from the truth.

Then what is GFW buying and selling?