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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Eagleye] #8190672
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Odd spot for the trigger to me. I would think you want the target under the falling part when triggered not off to the side. I must be missing something big time.

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Providence Farm] #8190683
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Odd spot for the trigger to me. I would think you want the target under the falling part when triggered not off to the side. I must be missing something big time.


I guess the idea is that the trap works in both directions fo the trail.
The head of the bear goes through between or obove the cords (g) an than his body or legs trigger the tap, so his neck or chest gets caught.

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Manfred] #8190691
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Originally Posted by Manfred
Can somebody explain, how the part ot the trigger-system highlighted in red works?


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In your picture f is the same as in the diagram as the piece with the fishing line attached
Harding has a book on project guttenburg with every kind off old style trap and how to make them

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Eagleye] #8190701
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@wetdog:
An L-7 trigger like in your picture would make perfect sense to me. But the one in the picture of the bear trap does not realy look like it.
On the other hand we do not know how close to reality the drawing is.

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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Eagleye] #8190702
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In my opinion, f is also in the ground and the rope is in the notch of h
I'm not home to look it up, it's on another phone I use for downloading books

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Eagleye] #8190724
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The target animal is under the log when they hit the trip line (g) in the diagram. g extends to the trigger that is off to the side and dislodges it and the log falls. The target animal does not have to make contact with the trigger so location of the trigger under the deadfall log is not necessary. The trip line activates the trigger and releases the deadfall.


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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: danny clifton] #8190793
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Watch alone. I watched an episode on Netflix. If you really live off the land you need to kill big animals. Small animals are a fine supplement but large animals are needed for the long haul. fortunately KS is chock full of cattle.

As long as you can cache it without it spoiling or getting stolen.


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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Eagleye] #8191103
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I read a book last fall from a guy born in 1845, PA I think, Ben somebody maybe. He trapped a lot of animals in deadfalls, lots of bears in footholds, and some bears in deadfalls. He saved his small footholds mostly for fox.


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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Manfred] #8191117
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Originally Posted by Manfred
Can somebody explain, how the part ot the trigger-system highlighted in red works?


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That is a type of toggle trigger.
f is the toggle and it is stuck in the ground just enough to hold the log up.
When strings are pushed the bottom part of f (where the strings wrapped around the stake are attached to f)is pulled enough to fire the trap.

A good book to learn all kinds of stuff including all the different types of trap and snare triggering systems is "survival skills of the North American Indians"(Peter Goodchild)

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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Boco] #8191294
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Originally Posted by Boco

That is a type of toggle trigger.
f is the toggle and it is stuck in the ground just enough to hold the log up.
When strings are pushed the bottom part of f (where the strings wrapped around the stake are attached to f)is pulled enough to fire the trap.


That was my first thought, too.
But it does not really match the description in the text and does noch match the directions of the cords in the drawing.
On the other hand, the lever 'e' seems faultily position in the drawing, too. It has noch mechanical advantage if placed like this.

My current guess is, the trigger ist drawn in a 90° angle daviant to its actual position for better visability.
In its actual positon the stick 'f' would be sloping torwards the viewer.
The cord from lever 'e' has a loop at its end which is clipped to a horizontal notch cut into 'f'.
The cord 'g' is led through his loop.
If you then pull at 'g' it draws the loop out of the notch.

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Eagleye] #8191362
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Treadbar deadfall works good for beaver at crossovers.


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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Tatiana] #8191934
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Originally Posted by Tatiana
you can build a kulemka-type deadfall with a chelak-type trigger,


I can not find these two terms on the internet.

I guess you are taking about what in the west ist often called the Siberian marten deadfall (transcribed 'Koolyomaka', perhaps from Finnish language?) and Siberian trigger, as shown in this video?



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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: QuietButDeadly] #8191938
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Originally Posted by QuietButDeadly
The target animal is under the log when they hit the trip line (g) in the diagram. g extends to the trigger that is off to the side and dislodges it and the log falls. The target animal does not have to make contact with the trigger so location of the trigger under the deadfall log is not necessary. The trip line activates the trigger and releases the deadfall.


I looked closer makes perfect since now. I saw the cord going to the vertical pole from the trigger but thought they went up the pole. I didn't notice them going around the pole staying horizontal and covering the whole ares in the smash zone. Can't believe I missed that but I surely did.

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Wolfdog91] #8191943
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
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These are good illustrations. I was just about to comment that you're going to make surekyou have something big enough until I saw these.

We call these grandfather traps, the figure 4 is the trigger. It's a good way to get mink.

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Eagleye] #8192252
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Learned the Figure 4 trap from my grandfather, when I was a kid. He used crossed sticks, four sided dome shape.

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Boco] #8200176
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Originally Posted by Manfred
Can somebody explain, how the part ot the trigger-system highlighted in red works?


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It could be a 'ribbon trigger' like this one.
The file (link to source below the picture) despripes the use of these trigges even for spring pole traps for black bears.
And it would fit the description (pulls the loop from the notch).

Is there a name for this kind of 'ribbon tripper'?

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Source: https://deldot.gov/environmental/archaeology/blue_ball/pdf/piedmont/series180_app_i.pdf

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Eagleye] #8200193
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Manfred's video is how the deadfalls around here were made when they were legal. See many of the rock piles around here for coon.......jk


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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Wolfdog91] #8200217
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
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On the bottom illustration, the cordage appears to be wrapped the wrong way around the post.

Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Eagleye] #8200219
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A good old piece of picture wire on a rabbit trail works well just tie it off the rabbit does the rest. That always looked like a fun thing to try but never tried it yet keep us posted with pics please.


Made the old 16th century mouse trap once that was a lot of fun to mess with.

Along this line of spring snare type

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Re: Figure 4 Deadfall Trap [Re: Tatiana] #8200347
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Originally Posted by Tatiana

It's also better not to attach any of the parts to standing trees, or lean the weight log against a standing tree, because it will set off the deadfall in windy weather. Some people praise this kind of deadfalls but it's mostly overly enthusiastic amateurs with youtube channels %) In reality, they're tedious to build, cumbersome, and very vulnerable to being set off by jays and heavy snow, especially now that winters have been becoming milder throughout most of Siberia, meaning fewer persistant high-pressure systems and more frequent snowfalls. They have an advantage over legholds in that they're still legal here (all legholds have been banned by animal rights nazis about 15 years ago, disguised as a move towards Euro-integration). Another big disadvantage is that you can't move them, which is a big problem in Eastern Siberia/Yakutia with frequent wildfires, meaning if you rely on deadfalls, you may have to rebuild them every few years, so for people with very big traplines it's not an option. It only makes sense to make a few in spots wtih really high marten/sable traffic, such as dispersal bottlenecks or ravines along rivers.
There's an alternative trigger mechanism, with a "pedal" stick, which is better because you can make it on the spot, but requires more time to tune to be at least a bit resistant to birds. I used to have a few on my trapline but it was mostly to try building/using them.


Many of the self proclaimed 'survival trapping experts' on youtube would likely stay hungry a long time...
Matthias Norberg's videos are bretty good, compared to most. But it is the details like those you are listing above who show the people with real experience.

What does this alternative trigger mechanism with pedal stick look like?
Do you have a picture?
Perhaps like this?

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Source: https://deldot.gov/environmental/archaeology/blue_ball/pdf/piedmont/series180_app_i.pdf

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