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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Providence Farm] #7913759
07/26/23 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
I wouldn't have either on hand. I would have serious questions like where is my son and this not being married to my wife when I'm in heaven. If all the roads are gold and no dirt or gravel I don't have my wife or kids I'm not sure it's i a place I care to be or want to go. But that's me coming from an earthly view point.


Things not understood here that bring sorrow will be understood there and joy will be all that i s felt. These things He already knows you wonder about and it will be known to you.


-Goofy
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7913846
07/26/23 08:23 PM
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Maybe the government should be about protecting liberty and our sovereignty as a nation. Quit wasting all the money they take from us trying to protect us from ourselves.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Providence Farm] #7913897
07/26/23 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Well Rex we do have a farmers sub fourm so drinking must be ok. May be a good tile to say I went to my wife's 38 year old aunts funeral on Monday. She will killed when the drunk she was riding with hit a tree. He walked away. I have never heard of a pot head geting stoned and beating his wife and kids. He would be more likely to eat all the kids snacks and chill out. But but he might move on to hard drugs. They say while overlooking thay startes on alcohol and tobacco and moved up to pot but the first two are ok but pot I'd the devil. Yet it's lost on them even when pointed out. The left doesn't have a monopoly on being a blind followers lemming and hypocrites.

ALL I asked for was a logical argument fact based for the criminalization of pot. I layed out several negatives . But I get nothing in return but emotionall ideological stances. I guess they really don't have an strong backed up stance outside it parrot what they have alway been told.

My son is dead because of drugs. Is that good enough?

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: danny clifton] #7913957
07/26/23 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Maybe the government should be about protecting liberty and our sovereignty as a nation. Quit wasting all the money they take from us trying to protect us from ourselves.



It needs to be repeated so..... once again. Guns do not kill people , people kill people, bad choices with guns kill people.

Its same with drugs. The drugs didn't do it. Alcohol didn't do it. Bad choices did it. (Cannabis didnt do it at all, dont confuse cannabis with bad drugs)

Some think its ok to take away a person's freedom to choose because they want to save us from ourselves. Its a person's choice for themselves within reason of course, but they dont get to dictate others freedom away.

Cannabis should of never been illegal, and now that wrong is being righted in many free states.

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7913958
07/26/23 10:26 PM
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Spike 369 drugs are and have been Illegal. So how has that helped? Your son had no problems geting drugs and killing himself using them. I don't think if they were legal the outcome would change.

I understand you are heart broken and angry and blaming the drugs is an easy outlet. But not a single additional law would have changed a thing. But I'm sure that you can some how claim all the negative of the war o. Drugs are worth it even though your son still ended up dead by his own actions.

When my son was killed by a 19 year old that ran a red light there was someone to blame that's mistakes killed my innocent 16 month old son. If I had not been in icu 2 weeks and on a walker 5 months that guy would have been painfully killed. I know the loss of a son and feel deeply for you but emotion is not an effective stance that backs up and shows positive results . Infact you proved my point for me very well. The war on drugs is a failure and does not work.
Would you feel better if he would have drank himself to death becuse it's legal? Heck no!!

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7914026
07/27/23 04:59 AM
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I would like see LE focus on theft and assaults. Heck you cant even fill up your pickup anymore without prepay because LE refuses to do anything to gas thieves. Tobacco use has declined considerably due to education. I have no data but I doubt alcoholism is any higher now that it was when alcohol was illegal. Prohibition accomplishes NOTHING except to provide jobs and money to MILLIONS. Instead of drug task forces we need theft task forces.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7914036
07/27/23 05:33 AM
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Promoting the legalization of something which we all know is destructive is about the most foolish thing I've ever heard. Legalization legitimizes drug use. Democrats want to destroy this country with climate chance malarkey and it seems libertarians want to destroy this country with drug use. All in the name of freedom of course. Lol.

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Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7914059
07/27/23 06:18 AM
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So J Staton, in the Theocracy government you propose, should we bring back stoning?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Providence Farm] #7914101
07/27/23 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Spike 369 drugs are and have been Illegal. So how has that helped? Your son had no problems geting drugs and killing himself using them. I don't think if they were legal the outcome would change.

I understand you are heart broken and angry and blaming the drugs is an easy outlet. But not a single additional law would have changed a thing. But I'm sure that you can some how claim all the negative of the war o. Drugs are worth it even though your son still ended up dead by his own actions.

When my son was killed by a 19 year old that ran a red light there was someone to blame that's mistakes killed my innocent 16 month old son. If I had not been in icu 2 weeks and on a walker 5 months that guy would have been painfully killed. I know the loss of a son and feel deeply for you but emotion is not an effective stance that backs up and shows positive results . Infact you proved my point for me very well. The war on drugs is a failure and does not work.
Would you feel better if he would have drank himself to death becuse it's legal? Heck no!!

You are an enabler by pushing pot. Pot is just as dangerous as alcohol whether you smoke it or eat it. The red light has nothing to do with pot or alcohol unless you left something out like he was high on pot when he ran it. The reason the war on drugs hasn't worked is because of people like you pushing lies about its safety. THC is a dangerous drug. Would you push pot if all the THC was taken out? No you wouldn't, because hemp has been grown in the US for years to make rope. It has a very low THC content. No I don't drink alcohol and I don't push it either. Someone doing pot is just as hooked as an alcoholic when they deny they are hooked. OBTW, I didn't prove any point unless that point is pot is dangerous and deadly.

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: danny clifton] #7914117
07/27/23 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
So J Staton, in the Theocracy government you propose, should we bring back stoning?

Ain't that what y'all are supporting already, the stoning of 'we the people '

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7914138
07/27/23 08:36 AM
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So spike 369 you have no issue and are ok with all the negative things the war on drugs has created even though it does nothing to stop or slow the drugs down and your son still ended up dead. Got it.

I never once pushed pot I did say I saw first hand the benefits of it when mom was going through cancer treatment. And first hand experience from when I was younger and from what I saw from decaded long heavy users pot is not addictive. When a guy that uses every day for decades realize he no longer can get high and can quit cold turkey with zero negative effects or with draws it's not addictive. Prescription drugs cause more issues than pot.. I saw from man in the fetal passion crying un able to get up and go to work when he ran out of Prescription opioid.

Bottom line you are dug in have zero facts or anything to back up your stance other than emotion and parroting what you hear with no looming into it and then questioning what you are finding.

Basically just identy politics in another fourm.

To summarize you are ok with militarization of the police, no knock warrants, asset forfeiture, filling prisons with nonviolent violent offenders and letting rapest and murders out early due to the over crouding, bloated police budgets and on and on. Even though the policies and programs do absolutely nothing to stop or slow drug use. All becuse drugs are bad and at least we are doing something doesn't mater if it's not working we must need more of that something. Govern me harder daddy. Sounds a lot like Democrats on guns and trapping. I guess you just can't get away from social programming and human nature.

Last edited by Providence Farm; 07/27/23 10:01 AM.
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7914174
07/27/23 09:37 AM
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Just looked it up Marijuana deaths are a handful each year compared to prescription drugs, and drinking deaths is way more than both of them put together. But once again drinking is accepted because of the money involved.

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7914181
07/27/23 10:00 AM
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Only DemonRats smoke the Devil's Lettuce. "Conservatives" get drunk. Unless it's Bud Lite because it turns you gay.


Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Providence Farm] #7914190
07/27/23 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Trapper 7 sure a lot of people smoke cigarettes that don't smoke pot. A lot of pot smokers also don’t go on to other drugs what's your point. Most all pot smokers did start with cigarettes. Then moved up to include pot.

If you use your pot argument the Same as cigarettes you can see hoe silly your pot argument is.

J Staton I'm not the morality police. I'm also not advocating or saying I think people should smoke pot. You seem to have the same mind set as o he doesn't think 100%of what Trump did was great so he must be for Biden mind set.

. Look back I said making pot illegal did more harm than good.. that it's people's choice to smoke pot or take their wife to an orgy. I don't believe it's my job or place to tell them what they can or can't do.

It's not my job as a believer to look down on people and be judgmental or make choices for them. Infact I can't make anyone do anything.
It is my job to share the gospel and live it out and set an example. The rest is God's department. He opens minds and hearts changing desires and behaviors. Not me . I believe in freedom being open about your failures, not trying to act like a sant. All that does is turn people off and away and they see nothing but a hypocrite.
Jesus didn't stay in the temples he went to the streets among the sinners and the sin. He got his hands dirty.

Giving guidance and understanding, living as an example will have a more positive effect than making things illegal. It does not make it hard to get at all. It just gives more power to the government and those with limited perspective a feel good measure.

What I'm saying is I have seen it first hand the dangers for some people who smoke pot. I was asked by a therapist to sit in on a few sessions regarding my son who was in treatment. My son said he starting smoking pot and it wasn't enough, so he got into heavier drugs. There were other people in the program who agreed with him and said the same was true with them. My kid has been in and out of treatment. His first wife divorced him because of his drug abuse. Right now, his second marriage is on the rocks for the same reason. I think your statements trying to justify pot smoking are flimsy.


I don't always carry all my groceries on one arm, but when I do, my keys are usually in the wrong pocket.
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7914194
07/27/23 10:19 AM
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Does he drink?

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7914195
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And I have seen first hand what drinking does.

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Spike369] #7914196
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Originally Posted by Spike369
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Well Rex we do have a farmers sub fourm so drinking must be ok. May be a good tile to say I went to my wife's 38 year old aunts funeral on Monday. She will killed when the drunk she was riding with hit a tree. He walked away. I have never heard of a pot head geting stoned and beating his wife and kids. He would be more likely to eat all the kids snacks and chill out. But but he might move on to hard drugs. They say while overlooking thay startes on alcohol and tobacco and moved up to pot but the first two are ok but pot I'd the devil. Yet it's lost on them even when pointed out. The left doesn't have a monopoly on being a blind followers lemming and hypocrites.

ALL I asked for was a logical argument fact based for the criminalization of pot. I layed out several negatives . But I get nothing in return but emotionall ideological stances. I guess they really don't have an strong backed up stance outside it parrot what they have alway been told.

My son is dead because of drugs. Is that good enough?

Mine isn't yet, but it won't surprise me if he is one of these days. If you've read some of my posts on this subject. The majority of people on cocaine, opium, etc, are pot graduates. Sorry for your loss. I keep praying for my kid.


I don't always carry all my groceries on one arm, but when I do, my keys are usually in the wrong pocket.
Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: Providence Farm] #7914199
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
So spike 369 you have no issue and are ok with all the negative things the war on drugs has created even though it does nothing to stop or slow the drugs down and your son still ended up dead. Got it.

I never once pushed pot I did say I saw first hand the benefits of it when mom was going through cancer treatment. And first hand experience from when I was younger and from what I saw from decaded long heavy users pot is not addictive. When a guy that uses every day for decades realize he no longer can get high and can quit cold turkey with zero negative effects or with draws it's not addictive. Prescription drugs cause more issues than pot.. I saw from man in the fetal passion crying un able to get up and go to work when he ran out of Prescription opioid.

Bottom line you are dug in have zero facts or anything to back up your stance other than emotion and parroting what you hear with no looming into it and then questioning what you are finding.

Basically just identy politics in another fourm.

To summarize you are ok with militarization of the police, no knock warrants, asset forfeiture, filling prisons with nonviolent violent offenders and letting rapest and murders out early due to the over crouding, bloated police budgets and on and on. Even though the policies and programs do absolutely nothing to stop or slow drug use. All becuse drugs are bad and at least we are doing something doesn't mater if it's not working we must need more of that something. Govern me harder daddy. Sounds a lot like Democrats on guns and trapping. I guess you just can't get away from social programming and human nature.

Nope and none of that has anything to do with you being a stoner or enabling the killing and maiming of our children. You have taken too many drugs to even think clearly. You are way off topic. Pot is dangerous, PERIOD! that's what this thread is about. It isn't about you showing us how much you don't know about pot!

Re: Marijuana and Massive Increase in Mental Illness [Re: drasselt] #7914203
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Trapper7, I will pray for your son. Hope he figures it out before it's too late.my grandson just got out of jail for selling pot. His brain is so messed up he doesn't even know he's in trouble. Anyone supporting it doesn't have their head on straight. But you can't tell them, they won't listen. They are like providence farm. Anyway my prayers go out to you and you family.

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Originally Posted by Spike369
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
So spike 369 you have no issue and are ok with all the negative things the war on drugs has created even though it does nothing to stop or slow the drugs down and your son still ended up dead. Got it.

I never once pushed pot I did say I saw first hand the benefits of it when mom was going through cancer treatment. And first hand experience from when I was younger and from what I saw from decaded long heavy users pot is not addictive. When a guy that uses every day for decades realize he no longer can get high and can quit cold turkey with zero negative effects or with draws it's not addictive. Prescription drugs cause more issues than pot.. I saw from man in the fetal passion crying un able to get up and go to work when he ran out of Prescription opioid.

Bottom line you are dug in have zero facts or anything to back up your stance other than emotion and parroting what you hear with no looming into it and then questioning what you are finding.

Basically just identy politics in another fourm.

To summarize you are ok with militarization of the police, no knock warrants, asset forfeiture, filling prisons with nonviolent violent offenders and letting rapest and murders out early due to the over crouding, bloated police budgets and on and on. Even though the policies and programs do absolutely nothing to stop or slow drug use. All becuse drugs are bad and at least we are doing something doesn't mater if it's not working we must need more of that something. Govern me harder daddy. Sounds a lot like Democrats on guns and trapping. I guess you just can't get away from social programming and human nature.

Nope and none of that has anything to do with you being a stoner or enabling the killing and maiming of our children. You have taken too many drugs to even think clearly. You are way off topic. Pot is dangerous, PERIOD! that's what this thread is about. It isn't about you showing us how much you don't know about pot!

How does anything you've said have anything to do with pot smoking? It sounds like once pot smoking is legalized we will see things like no knock warrants, defunding police, nonviolent offenders incarcerated, rapists and murders out early, etc all eliminated according to you. What does this have to do with pot smoking? Makes no sense.


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