Keith all can say is your general description of Christian and the Christian beliefs doesn't come close to describing me or my experience with the religion. Can it be manipulated by man for evil? Of course, man had corrected every institution they have ever been in. It's about your relationship with God, knowing his truth and finding a Church that puts those truth first and God first.

Here's a list of some of the huge multitude of Christian religions. Ignoring the many thousands of other religions, which of these is the one that contains the people that God won't send to suffer forever?

Alliance of Baptists
American Baptist
American Baptist Association
Baptist
Baptist (Missionary)
Baptist Bible Fellowship International
Baptist General Conference
Baptist- Independent
Conservative Baptist Association of America
Converge Worldwide (Baptist General Conference)
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
Fellowship of Evangelical Baptist Churches in Canada
General Association of General Baptists
General Association of Regular Baptist
National Association of Free Will Baptists
National Baptist Convention of America
National Baptist Convention, USA
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
North American Baptist Conference in Canada
Progressive National Baptist Convention
Southern Baptist Convention
United Baptist Convention of the Atlantic Province
Methodist
African Methodist Episcopal
African Methodist Episcopal Zion
Christian Methodist Episcopal (CME)
Free Methodist Church of North America
Methodist
United Methodist
Presbyterian
Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Presbyterian
Presbyterian Church in America
Presbyterian Church in Canada
Orthodox
Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese
Coptic Orthodox
Greek Orthodox
Greek Orthodox Metropolis of Toronto (Canada)
Orthodox
Orthodox Church in America
Romanian Orthodox Episcopate
Ukrainian Orthodox
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Canada
Episcopal
Anglican
Anglican Church of Canada
Episcopal
Catholic
Catholic
Roman Catholic
Lutheran
American Association of Lutheran
Association of Free Lutheran Congregations
Evangelical Lutheran in America
Lutheran
Lutheran Church of Missouri Synod
Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod
Reformed
Calvinist
Christian Reformed Church in North America
Evangelical Presbyterian
Reformed
Spirit-Filled
Apostolic Church of Pentecost of Canada
Assemblies of God
Calvary Chapel
Charismatic
Church of God
Church of God (Anderson, IN)
Church of God (Cleveland, TN)
Church of God (Pentecostal)
Church of God by Faith
Church of God in Christ
Church of God of Prophecy
Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith
Congregational Holiness
Elim Fellowship
Fellowship of Christian Assemblies
Foursquare Gospel
Full Gospel
Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship
General Conference Church of God (Seventh Day)
General Conference of Churches of God
Holiness
International Pentecostal Holiness
New Frontiers
Open Bible
Pentecostal
Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
Pentecostal Assemblies of the World
Pentecostal Church of God
Restorationist
United Pentecostal Church
United Pentecostal Church International
Vineyard
Vineyard Churches Canada
Christian
Apostolic
Armenian Apostolic Church
Associated Gospel Churches of Canada
Berean Fellowship
Bible
Bible Fellowship
Brethren
Christian and Missionary Alliance
Christian Brethren (Brethren Assemblies)
Church of Christ
Church of the Brethren
Church of the Nazarene
Church of the Nazarene in Canada
Church of the United Brethren in Christ
Churches of Christ
Community
Congregational
Conservative Congregational Christian Conference
Council of Mennonite Brethren Churches
Disciples of Christ
Evangelical
Evangelical Covenant
Evangelical Free
Evangelical Free Church
General Council of Mennonites
Grace communion International - Canada
Grace Gospel Fellowship
House Churches
Independent
Independent Bible
Independent Fundamental Churches of America
Interdenominational
International Council of Community
Mennonite
Messianic Judaism
Missionary
Moravian
National Association of Congregational
Nazarene
Netherlands Reformed Congregations
Non-Denominational
Old Order Amish Church
Other Christian
Quaker
Salvation Army
Seventh Day Adventist
The Christian Congregation
United Church of Canada
United Church of Christ
United House of Prayer
Uniting Church (Australia)
Wesleyan

Is any of these even the right one?

Keith

I could probably attend 3/4s of those.

A lot of those are different denominations, not different religions.

Bingo

Keith you seem more interested in looking for evidence than finding truth if u get where I'm coming from

Religions or denominations are used as a way to divide

Every religion or denomination has infiltrators that push their own agenda

Assuming God is not real because of the wickedness of man is the mark of a fool
Psalm 14:1 KJV
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Men who make religions are fools

The bible clearly teaches that pure religion is visiting the fatherless and widows in their affliction and remaining unspotted from the world.
Folks from every religion practice pure religion.

Religion saves iterally no one on the planet

Salvation is only by faith on the Lord Jesus Christ

Everyone is a sinner and deserves death, the only way to be saved it for you to be covered by the blood of Jesus

It's literally that simple

These post are always restated to support the writers bias.

You realize what you just stated is your religion, right?

I don't really disagree, but disagreement has existed in the church from the beginning.
Having different opinions of what certain verses mean doesn't make one a heretic.
It sounds like you belong with the faith alone denominations.
What many churches do is add faith plus ------whatever.

Well if you see it that way it's fine, but the "religion" that I came out of Independent fundamental Baptist would disagree with me obviously because they believe IFB to be the best, but even in the IFB you have people who preach multiple different types of salvation (sinless perfection, lordship salvation, repent of your sins, and then faith alone) so even within the IFB they don't agree all as one.

The bible never said we should start a religion. The bible said we should believe correctly, Jesus said we should believe correctly

I'd call myself a bible believing Christian. And many other types of Baptist would do the same

So I don't subscribe to religion. I don't see how that's me stating my religion. More stating exactly what it is I believe

There are no churches full of people who believe faith alone and preach against religion, though I'd probably go if there were

And yes most religions or denominations add something to faith which is how they create a religion. Man made traditions taught as doctrine. I think Jesus spoke about that a bit.

Anyways yes I am faith alone. Every saved Christian is

Agree with your last post Ken. Not a doubt in my mind that Jesus Christ did NOT come down here to form some kind of religion. He came to save souls from eternal damnation via their sins. Only His blood was worthy. That message is really all that matters, our differing interpretations of Genesis 6 does not take away from the Truth that is Jesus Christ and what He did for mankind.

My point is that I don't see God, being the greatest Being, condemning any of his children to suffer eternally, if their beliefs don't fall exactly in line with reality. What seems to be consequential differences to most of us, petty as we are, surely has no meaning to a being of God's magnitude.

I believe in a great and loving creator, not a small and petty one. If God wanted us all to believe the same, he could easily accomplish it.

Just like a good father wants his children to get along, and loves them all despite their idiosyncrasies, I believe God wants us to get along and to stop worrying about, what to him, must be vastly minor differences in opinion.

Keith

I always hate when people say to fear God or to fear Jesus.

In Galatians 4:7, Jesus says:

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Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."

I believe we are all God's children and as his children, should act in love of God, not fear of him. There is a vast difference in fear and in loving respect.

I don't see our just God condemning any of our brothers and sisters, through him, who try to live well and treat others with love and respect, while holding varying beliefs.

Keith

100% brother

None of God's children will suffer eternal (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). But it is very clear in the bible that there are three types of people. Children of God (saved), children of Belial (reprobate), and children of Adam (unsaved)

So there can't be a free pass for everyone. You only become a child of God by faith on Jesus Christ. That means repenting of any other kind of false salvation or religion or thought on how to be saved and turning or repenting to the gospel of Christ and putting all of your faith on Jesus'perfect finished works for all of your salvation. It's really simple

The bible is clear, this is how you because a child of God
John 1:12-13 KJV
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

He is a loving God, and He loves us dearly. However, he ain't our buddy or our friend IMO, but rather a loving Fatehr; He is the Lord God Almighty and He deserves our worship and respect.

God did want us all to believe the same and know the Truth. That's why He sent His only son down here to prove it via Jesus' sacrifice on the Cross. Even though that is the most documented death and eyewitness account in written history, many still don't believe it, or find fault in it.

The bible clearly teaches that it's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

Jesus specifically preached that you should only fear God and not men

Matthew 10:28 KJV
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).

And Jesus also taught that if you were of his flock then you would hear his voice

John 10:25-30 KJV
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. [26] But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. [30] I and my Father are one.

And once you are of his flock the you can never be plucked from the Father's hand. This is eternal security held by the most high God

So all of this "we are all God's children" junk just doesn't jive with the bible. It is what it is. No one is gonna force you to believe it, but attacking every religion while creating your own isn't any different than say the Godless morman's or unbelieving Jews. Everyone wants what they think to be the truth. You're no different than anyone else. We are all sinners and all deserve H3||. Claiming you don't is just not true.

Jesus specifically preached that most people and most so called "christians" would go to H3||. It's not wrong for sinners to be punished, but rather just. As God is just

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Like I said it is what it is. No matter how badly someone doesn't want it to be so.

The reason folks can't understand judgement is also clearly written about in the bible

Proverbs 28:5 KJV
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the Lord understand all things.

I will never believe God would send His only son to die on a cross to save mankind and then save those who ridicule His Son. John 11:25, Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth, and the light; he who believes in me shall live even if he dies and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die."

How does one get around this scripture when it comes to all being His children. Aren't we are all God's creation, but not all His children?
KJV 1 john 3:10
By this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither is he that loveth not his brother.

I do see a little wiggle room about your last statement about trying to live well and treat others right. maybe with Romans 2:14 - For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves, but that might only apply to those who have never had knowledge of Jesus.