Re: Wolf Snare ?
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I make my own with 7/64th 1x19 cable on 5' of #9 wire. I use the Bridger surehold cam lock with teeth ( 1/8th ) and a 75 pound dispatch spring.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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Slick Pan, most all wolf snares do the job. Every ones prefaces about what snare to use, have there merits and faults. One key for a good wolf snare is the cable. You should use 1x19 and not 7x7 cable. 7x7 will still work but, it is a limper cable and a little more difficult to set in the field. Slide locks are general cheap and work in most conditions. Cam lock can be faster but, in freezing rain areas the ice freezes the lock. Kill springs are optional, personally i don't use them. I think it is must to have a 3' or more if needed, attached number 9 annelid wire to your snare. Lastly cable size is a personal preface. 3/32, 7/64, or 1/8, all work well. If you use anything long enough and it works well, eventual it will fail. I like things simple. A inexpensive slide lock, 3/32 1x19 cable and a 3' piece of number 9 wire.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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Slick Pan, most all wolf snares do the job. Every ones prefaces about what snare to use, have there merits and faults. One key for a good wolf snare is the cable. You should use 1x19 and not 7x7 cable. 7x7 will still work but, it is a limper cable and a little more difficult to set in the field. Slide locks are general cheap and work in most conditions. Cam lock can be faster but, in freezing rain areas the ice freezes the lock. Kill springs are optional, personally i don't use them. I think it is must to have a 3' or more if needed, attached number 9 annelid wire to your snare. Lastly cable size is a personal preface. 3/32, 7/64, or 1/8, all work well. If you use anything long enough and it works well, eventual it will fail. I like things simple. A inexpensive slide lock, 3/32 1x19 cable and a 3' piece of number 9 wire. What length are your snares?
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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General if you cut your cable at 6', you will have a good snare loop. I have made some snares that i cut at 5' for tight areas.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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I too prefer things simple.
3/32 1x19 cable. Just enough cable to form a loop. Attached to 5 feet of #9 wire. Thompson locks. I hate cam locks they are just an exercise in frustration in windy or frosty conditions.
No kill spring. The more hardware you hang out there the harder it is to hide it.
For a BAD I use a hack saw and cut between the two openings on the lock. A moose will open the lock but a wolf will not Good advice thank you!
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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I learned a lot from everyone. So much I would have never known or though about. I thank you very much. KEEP IT SIMPLE. One more tip.... get you a copy of the Alaska Wolf Trapping Manual! Click on green banner at the top of this page... Pete
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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I too prefer things simple.
3/32 1x19 cable. Just enough cable to form a loop. Attached to 5 feet of #9 wire. Thompson locks. I hate cam locks they are just an exercise in frustration in windy or frosty conditions.
No kill spring. The more hardware you hang out there the harder it is to hide it.
For a BAD I use a hack saw and cut between the two openings on the lock. A moose will open the lock but a wolf will not This right here. Keep it a simple as the law allows. 5\64's will hold as long as it is behind the ears but 3\32's is better size cable.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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The number one wolf snare I sell the most of is 72" 7/64 1x19 cable loaded with toothed cam lock with 75# kill spring attached to 5" of #9 wire second most sold is same snare with 3/32 1x19 cable. I don't sell them without kill springs anymore there is no comparison when it comes to dispatch without them. I have converted a lot of trappers that were reluctant to try them and now swear by them. Can you explain the difference in the dispatch of a kill spring vs not having one ? I assume its the quickness and lockdown so the wolf is not fighting the snare as hard? Would this mean it would cause less damage to the hide? That's pretty important to me.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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Kill springs put them down faster especially in more open applications. A wolf alive in a snare can wreck itself.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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A wolf alive in a snare can wreck itself.
Any critter in a snare can "wreck itself." That is of course the utter absurdity of the "cable restraint" nonsense foisted off onto trappers in some L-48 states! Pete
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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I used to use the Thompson wolf lock with 7/64th 1x19 on 5' of #9 wire however I wasn't always happy with the results. At the advice of others ( including Rusty Newhouse ) I tried the kill springs and I think it is a worthwhile addition, they are relatively cheap ( $4 per 25 ).
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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A wolf alive in a snare can wreck itself.
Any critter in a snare can "wreck itself." That is of course the utter absurdity of the "cable restraint" nonsense foisted off onto trappers in some L-48 states! Pete I have had the odd lynx and fox alive in snares,but never seen one wreck itself like a live wolf can.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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Personally, I have never seen the need for a swivel. You can get that same type of action from the #9 wire extension depending on how the connection is made It's how they come either swivel or tree lock. A tree lock need a tree.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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Slick Pan, most all wolf snares do the job. Every ones prefaces about what snare to use, have there merits and faults. One key for a good wolf snare is the cable. You should use 1x19 and not 7x7 cable. 7x7 will still work but, it is a limper cable and a little more difficult to set in the field. Slide locks are general cheap and work in most conditions. Cam lock can be faster but, in freezing rain areas the ice freezes the lock. Kill springs are optional, personally i don't use them. I think it is must to have a 3' or more if needed, attached number 9 annelid wire to your snare. Lastly cable size is a personal preface. 3/32, 7/64, or 1/8, all work well. If you use anything long enough and it works well, eventual it will fail. I like things simple. A inexpensive slide lock, 3/32 1x19 cable and a 3' piece of number 9 wire. How are you guys attaching the snare to the #9 wire? What is it used for? Is it just an extension of the cable?
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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I put the cable and #9 wire through an annealed nut and hammer it down. Then I add a stop to the end of the cable and bend the short piece of #9 back over the nut, the #9 is an extension of the cable. All you have to do is wrap the wire around a tree or drag, open loop, and adjust height.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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Someone did a great tutorial on how to make the cable/#9 wire connection. Maybe it was JR or HFT ???? Several years ago. I checked the archives but couldn't find it. But I DID find one picture that might help. Basically just twist a small pigtail in the #9 wire. Run the cable through the pigtail . Add a washer and a stop. The #9 acts as your attachment to the tree, and support for the loop, and the cable can revolve inside the pigtail but the washer and stop prevent it from pulling through. Here's the pic I found
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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JR (Howler) makes a jig for the pig tails. if you decide to go that route hit him up. Rule of thumb for pigtails and 9 wire is 5-7 wraps for fox and yote and 7-9 for wolf. Caught one in a yote snare using 11 gauge wire and you can see I got lucky Fortunately it was only a 76 lbs female. This is why I have some hesitancy about wrapping the wire. Would it not be better to use a tree lock?
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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white I have seen 9 wire pig tails come undone twice by big mature moose other then that never. slickpan I assume these are the tree loc's your talking about? Something to consider is if you need to attach a extension cable how will you do it? When it comes to the pigtails IMO they serve two purposes. One when you hang the snare the snare automatically falls straight up and down and you have to do minimal adjustment to the configuration of the snare. The pigtail also serves as a swivel allowing the snare to spin as a critter rolls, helps preserve the integrity of the cable. As far as having nine wire attached directly to the snare it helps minimize the time your at the set location and gear you have to carry in with you. I can walk right up to a tree unroll my wire and snare adjust the wire to the length I want tie of set snare and turn around and back out. Using straight cable alot more IMO comes into play. cutting your support wire the right length prior to you walking in or are you carrying the wire and cutters with you? How are you going to do the support wire? Tie off / drill a hole? Are you going to need a long or short extension to secure the snare? Now dont get me wrong there are people that will do all that because that is what they are comfortable with and their system produces for them. There is no wrong way, just the way that works for you. Here is 5ft of cable attached to 5ft of nine wire. Pretty much my set up for everything these days with a few exceptions. I double up on aluminum ferrels for wolves use a 625 lb BAd from Sneddeckers (every snare I hang fox lynx yote wolf has a BAd 625 for wolves 285 for everything else) and a toothed cam loc or a BMI loc. Cam loc's are worthless in the open where I am at with the hore frost but shine in the spruce thickets. When I set this I have to mess around a little to get the snare straight up and down but it only takes me a few seconds. This pic should be close to what your talking about as a set up minus the loc, kill spring, and deer stop? Personally I am not a fan of kill springs. I tried every brand / method. Some love them I don't. Some really good advice from serious wolfers in the comments above. Over the years I have learned alot from them. I hope you figure out what works best for you and that you connect with a few
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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I used to use the Thompson wolf lock with 7/64th 1x19 on 5' of #9 wire however I wasn't always happy with the results. Why?
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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white I have seen 9 wire pig tails come undone twice by big mature moose other then that never. slickpan I assume these are the tree loc's your talking about? Something to consider is if you need to attach a extension cable how will you do it? When it comes to the pigtails IMO they serve two purposes. One when you hang the snare the snare automatically falls straight up and down and you have to do minimal adjustment to the configuration of the snare. The pigtail also serves as a swivel allowing the snare to spin as a critter rolls, helps preserve the integrity of the cable. As far as having nine wire attached directly to the snare it helps minimize the time your at the set location and gear you have to carry in with you. I can walk right up to a tree unroll my wire and snare adjust the wire to the length I want tie of set snare and turn around and back out. Using straight cable alot more IMO comes into play. cutting your support wire the right length prior to you walking in or are you carrying the wire and cutters with you? How are you going to do the support wire? Tie off / drill a hole? Are you going to need a long or short extension to secure the snare? Now dont get me wrong there are people that will do all that because that is what they are comfortable with and their system produces for them. There is no wrong way, just the way that works for you. Here is 5ft of cable attached to 5ft of nine wire. Pretty much my set up for everything these days with a few exceptions. I double up on aluminum ferrels for wolves use a 625 lb BAd from Sneddeckers (every snare I hang fox lynx yote wolf has a BAd 625 for wolves 285 for everything else) and a toothed cam loc or a BMI loc. Cam loc's are worthless in the open where I am at with the hore frost but shine in the spruce thickets. When I set this I have to mess around a little to get the snare straight up and down but it only takes me a few seconds. This pic should be close to what your talking about as a set up minus the loc, kill spring, and deer stop? Personally I am not a fan of kill springs. I tried every brand / method. Some love them I don't. Some really good advice from serious wolfers in the comments above. Over the years I have learned alot from them. I hope you figure out what works best for you and that you connect with a few Thank you for taking the time to post the information and photos.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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I used to use the Thompson wolf lock with 7/64th 1x19 on 5' of #9 wire however I wasn't always happy with the results. Why? I don't like jelly heads and I prefer D.O.A.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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slickpan I assume these are the tree loc's your talking about? Something to consider is if you need to attach a extension cable how will you do it?
I was thinking possibly wrapping the tree lock end around a log for a drag if I could not find a tree.
A snare on a drag is not a good set up. You want to anchor to something solid and higher up to set the snare good on the neck.
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Re: Wolf Snare ?
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slickpan I assume these are the tree loc's your talking about? Something to consider is if you need to attach a extension cable how will you do it?
I was thinking possibly wrapping the tree lock end around a log for a drag if I could not find a tree.
A snare on a drag is not a good set up. You want to anchor to something solid and higher up to set the snare good on the neck. Thinking on that I could see why that would not work well.
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