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Digging
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09/26/23 03:13 PM
09/26/23 03:13 PM
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Peoria County Illinois
Larry Baer
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What makes a coyote dig? For years I used a lure with snake as it's base and the coyote would dig till the next summer at the dirtholes where I used it. Was it the snake meat or something else?
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Re: Digging
[Re: Larry Baer]
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09/26/23 04:17 PM
09/26/23 04:17 PM
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Midland, MI.
Seldom
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Something they just had to wear because once the digging had the lure out or the contaminated dirt, they rolled on it.
Last edited by Seldom; 09/26/23 04:17 PM.
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Re: Digging
[Re: Larry Baer]
#7961215
09/30/23 07:09 AM
09/30/23 07:09 AM
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Northern Illinois
MChewk
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Good post and I guess SnipperBBB said it best. BUT, I have witnessed several domestic dogs roll on other dogs FRESH deposited urine as well as some of my experimental lures. I will never understand the rolling action. I know Summer time is not the best time to check the effectiveness of baits and lures but I do it it anyway to get outside and scout around. Beaver tails chunked up fresh and deposited in dirt holes of all depths usually get dug quickly in my area. Here is the weird thing...if I hang the tail from a fence post it will rot down until it falls off or until the insects clean it up??? I guess curiosity and the inability to get to the bait frustrates the animal causing intense digging??
Last edited by MChewk; 09/30/23 07:19 AM.
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Re: Digging
[Re: Larry Baer]
#7963441
10/03/23 11:56 AM
10/03/23 11:56 AM
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Peoria County Illinois
Larry Baer
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The intense digging is what I was thinking of. I have seen it with beaver tail oil. But I have seen it with grease melted and poured down a hole too. I have never seen it with fresh meat baits but have seen it with some commercial baits. But as mentioned - what if the coyote is not in the mood for it?
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Re: Digging
[Re: Larry Baer]
#7963484
10/03/23 01:51 PM
10/03/23 01:51 PM
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Marion Kansas
Yes sir
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Short answer...... if it gets an intense digging or rolling response they will be in the "mood" for it more often than anything else.
But I put ZERO stock in the "mood" theory when it comes to to coyotes. The large majority of the time it's just an excuse for why they walked past an inferior lure/bait or poor set in my humble opinion based off observing thousands of coyotes responses to bait/lure and there are some lesser reasons for walk bys sometimes. Is there lures and bait that will never get a walk by? Absolutely not but there are a lot of mediocre ones that get too many.
After I read my previous post I realized I used the word mood in it and will clarify that "hungry enough" would have been a clearer description in that particular post. Hunger is a good starting point but doesn't get as intense or consistent response normally as a rolling response. Thus the reason it's more difficult to create a great true bite and pull dope for getters.
What I've seen with a lot of guys who use only a natural bait at a set is they use a much larger volume of it which does increase the intrest in it. And then are most likely comparing the results against a mediocre bait at best in small amounts.
But there can be multiple reasons for things when coyotes are involved so nothing is set in stone.
Last edited by Yes sir; 10/03/23 02:08 PM.
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Re: Digging
[Re: Larry Baer]
#7964175
10/04/23 10:13 AM
10/04/23 10:13 AM
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What makes a coyote dig?
For years I used a lure with snake as it's base and the coyote would dig till the next summer at the dirtholes where I used it.
Was it the snake meat or something else? It could be just plain boredom like a dog digging in the back yard. Pups are probably the worst about it. What else do they have to do aside from killing fawns, livestock, and making more coyotes? It’s not like they have the internet or cable TV to keep them busy.
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Re: Digging
[Re: Larry Baer]
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10/04/23 05:09 PM
10/04/23 05:09 PM
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Peoria County Illinois
Larry Baer
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Pups do dig more.
Yes sir, so your theory is not that they are in a mood but they are just being a coyote when they dig? To you does this mean certain things or smells will trigger that response in a coyote?
I was curious what could be in this '' snake lure'' I had that would make them dig it much more than the other lures I have tried. I've seen coyotes dig many things. This lure would have the hole dug out 6'' around and a foot deep by spring. I suspected something was in it that triggered that reaction. Or maybe they like rotted down snakes that much? It was very mild smelling to me and my burned out old nose.
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Re: Digging
[Re: Larry Baer]
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10/04/23 06:30 PM
10/04/23 06:30 PM
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Marion Kansas
Yes sir
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There are numerous ingredients and combinations of ingredients that can get a strong digging reaction but normally a coyote will only dig a few times if they really like it before they lose the level of intrest that makes them willing to dig for it. And when other coyotes find it they will usually dig for it too. Longer the odor lasts at a strong enough level to create enough intrest to cause a digging reaction and the more coyotes that find it the bigger the holes will be.
Last edited by Yes sir; 10/04/23 06:44 PM.
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Re: Digging
[Re: Yes sir]
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10/04/23 07:32 PM
10/04/23 07:32 PM
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Midland, MI.
Seldom
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There are numerous ingredients and combinations of ingredients that can get a strong digging reaction but normally a coyote will only dig a few times if they really like it before they lose the level of intrest that makes them willing to dig for it. And when other coyotes find it they will usually dig for it too. Longer the odor lasts at a strong enough level to create enough intrest to cause a digging reaction and the more coyotes that find it the bigger the holes will be.
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Re: Digging
[Re: Larry Baer]
#7967851
10/09/23 03:45 PM
10/09/23 03:45 PM
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Peoria County Illinois
Larry Baer
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O'Gorman's Big Horns Medicine. I hear that it does not get the same reaction from other parts of the country but here it is super good in dirtholes. I have had others not so good here and people tell me it worked well for them.
This also leads me to another line of thought whereas if a coyote grows up eating deer or rabbits and is used to that will snake hold a higher or lower amount of attraction for that particular coyote or the coyotes as a whole from that area? There is ground beaver, cat, horse, prairie dog ect. Then there is fresh meat like muskrat or other furbearing animals meat. Sometimes the coyotes will dig for it and sometimes they pass on by like its last week's left overs. So I wonder if what the coyote is used to factors into how they react also.
I agree that if a coyote wants to dig it up they will want to roll on it.
It helps a lot. I was curious what others might think. I appreciate the answers.
One time I tried muskrats down the hole. I dug a hole very deep and put in 12 muskrats. It got down right cold and the dirt around the hole was froze solid. The coyotes just walked on by but the foxes dug out the hole and took all of the rats. It took them a while because it dug it straight down but they got the job done. Those little squirts had a party with those half rotten rat carcasses. They had the snow packed down in and area about 50 yards across and rat guts smeared all over it. I can only imagine the foxes rolling all over that mess.
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Re: Digging
[Re: Larry Baer]
#7969380
10/11/23 07:44 PM
10/11/23 07:44 PM
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2cylinder
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Dobbins has/had a lure called digger on the market that I tested before just before/when it came out and whatever is in that stuff makes k9 want to dig
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