Re: union leader
[Re: Guss]
#7975554
10/20/23 07:48 AM
10/20/23 07:48 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,825 Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper
"Chippendale Trapper"
|
"Chippendale Trapper"
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,825
Eastern Shore of Maryland
|
Well the big 3 can't do business with that greedy union that the auto workers have. It seems like they want to be partners with the their demands, no company can have their workers work just 4 days and make a profit. You can certainly save money though.
-Goofy-
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: rex123]
#7975629
10/20/23 09:06 AM
10/20/23 09:06 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 381 Southern Ohio
Ohiowoodchuck
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 381
Southern Ohio
|
I can’t blame them for asking for a 4 day work week. Anybody who has ever negotiated knows you ask for the moon because the company is going to lowball and when it’s all said and done it will somewhere in the middle. I don’t see why everyone is so upset cause there asking for it. I doubt they ever get it. As the market demand increases for autos overtime will be offered to meet demand, hence 6 and 7 day work weeks. At my plant the guys on shift during one of the weeks only work a 3 day 36 hour week. Then work a 4 day 48 hour week the next.
“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” — Thomas Paine
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7975632
10/20/23 09:08 AM
10/20/23 09:08 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 9,047 Indiana
Providence Farm
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 9,047
Indiana
|
Well my plant makes around 90 million a year profit. How many share holders that are there because of anticipated dividends do you think there are, 1000, 10,000, more? I have no idea since the buy out what the new company has structured. I do know wer more than doubled their size and they must not know how to run a business since they are no stranger to bankruptcy. We don't even have to get into being management heavy. Like going 13 months with no midnight shift supervision and geting more coils packed each shift with less hourly people on the floor. But when they got supervision on the crew and their big looks at me ideas you will do things my way droped production by 35% on the crew. But I believe the out of touch management is a corporation wide issue not a union vs non union issue. My take is we have a generation of people hiting the workforce that have been told their whole life how special thay are and never experienced failure or disappointment due to their parents hovering over them. Then they got a strong dose of it in college. They enter the workforce with zero experience, a degree, and a first year apprentice mentality that they know everything.
Last edited by Providence Farm; 10/20/23 09:09 AM.
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: rex123]
#7975655
10/20/23 10:04 AM
10/20/23 10:04 AM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,825 Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper
"Chippendale Trapper"
|
"Chippendale Trapper"
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,825
Eastern Shore of Maryland
|
I reckon I have been lucky enough to not experience some of the pitfalls you folks speak of. When I joined the corporate world l, I went for entry level in the door to management in 2 1/2 years. There was only 1 manager in the period that was an issue and the company dealt with it in a satisfactory manner.
-Goofy-
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: Guss]
#7975658
10/20/23 10:14 AM
10/20/23 10:14 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 45,616 james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 45,616
james bay frontierOnt.
|
If they get a 4 day work week look for cars,truck and suv to go thru the roof because they want more money can't be happy with 30 a hr. Have to have more . It's that mind set that put on the cheese line!. I dont know about the auto industry but when the RR went to a 4 day work week they saved a ton of money on overtime payout,and most of the workers liked only working 16 days a month.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: Boco]
#7975670
10/20/23 10:40 AM
10/20/23 10:40 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 381 Southern Ohio
Ohiowoodchuck
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 381
Southern Ohio
|
If they get a 4 day work week look for cars,truck and suv to go thru the roof because they want more money can't be happy with 30 a hr. Have to have more . It's that mind set that put on the cheese line!. I dont know about the auto industry but when the RR went to a 4 day work week they saved a ton of money on overtime payout,and most of the workers liked only working 16 days a month. When my local negotiated for a 4/10 schedule, the company agreed to it and after the trial period they locked it in. They agreed that more work got done in the 4 days then the 5/8’s. Also it was easier for management to plan jobs because two day jobs could be done safely and completed on a 10 hour shift.
“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” — Thomas Paine
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: Guss]
#7975712
10/20/23 12:37 PM
10/20/23 12:37 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,825 Eastern Shore of Maryland
HobbieTrapper
"Chippendale Trapper"
|
"Chippendale Trapper"
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 28,825
Eastern Shore of Maryland
|
You might not care what they but if effects the price of trucks just like diesel over 4.oo a gal food prices go up there should be a cap in pay . Don’t buy one. The price of diesel drops when it ain’t being used, yes?
-Goofy-
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
#7975725
10/20/23 01:02 PM
10/20/23 01:02 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 3,876 Wisconsin
Guss
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 3,876
Wisconsin
|
You might not care what they but if effects the price of trucks just like diesel over 4.oo a gal food prices go up there should be a cap in pay . Don’t buy one. The price of diesel drops when it ain’t being used, yes? Everybody needs a car or truck today
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: DRF]
#7975735
10/20/23 01:24 PM
10/20/23 01:24 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 381 Southern Ohio
Ohiowoodchuck
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 381
Southern Ohio
|
Ohiowoodchuck, I have been sent to 4 10 hour day jobs and I love them! Would take them days and hours all year. I’ve worked with guys who say 7 12’s doesn’t get any better than that. To each their own but I shy away from those hours at all costs. I love it. Been on it for 8 years now. It’s a extra day to spend outdoors. Or if there’s not much going on, get all your running/chores done on Friday and at least enjoy two days off. It has came with accepted overtime though. We did work a 60 day straight stretch a year ago.
Last edited by Ohiowoodchuck; 10/20/23 01:24 PM.
“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.” — Thomas Paine
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: Mando]
#7975744
10/20/23 01:32 PM
10/20/23 01:32 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 3,249 Co.-Wy. part time AK.
wy.wolfer
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 3,249
Co.-Wy. part time AK.
|
I’m going to some it up like my dad always said and he was self employed, he said a person is worth whatever amount they can get period and that includes everyone athletes to janitors to CEO’s . He said if you work for a dime or ten million bucks that’s what your worth is . Dad’s been dead 22 years and also said I’m not the smartest guy because anyone who spent 8 years active duty boots on the ground between WW2 and Korea is a pretty stupid person , Now let’s get the trapline ready and work for some real money! That's exactly correct. That's why people need to go out on their own and negotiate their own wage. The union strong arms the company for the group. Then you have crappy workers, middle of the road workers, and good workers getting the same wage. Kinda stinks when a slug is making as much as you if your a good worker. BINGO! As the saying goes.
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: Guss]
#7975745
10/20/23 01:33 PM
10/20/23 01:33 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 16,316 ny
upstateNY
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 16,316
ny
|
You might not care what they but if effects the price of trucks just like diesel over 4.oo a gal food prices go up there should be a cap in pay . And you don't want more competition in the cheese line do ya guss.Hahahaaaaa That's why your embarressed to say what you do for a living.Gubment dole.
Last edited by upstateNY; 10/20/23 01:34 PM.
the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: jalstat]
#7975804
10/20/23 03:44 PM
10/20/23 03:44 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 3,876 Wisconsin
Guss
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 3,876
Wisconsin
|
Heck Guss I’ve worked mostly 7 days a week for 35 years and the company managed to lose 30 billion in value and profit since April first That's bad management then.
|
|
|
Re: union leader
[Re: upstateNY]
#7975805
10/20/23 03:46 PM
10/20/23 03:46 PM
|
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 3,876 Wisconsin
Guss
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 3,876
Wisconsin
|
You might not care what they but if effects the price of trucks just like diesel over 4.oo a gal food prices go up there should be a cap in pay . And you don't want more competition in the cheese line do ya guss.Hahahaaaaa That's why your embarressed to say what you do for a living.Gubment dole. No man I'm not embarrassed at what I do for money. It's alot different then working in a shop.
|
|
|
|
|