Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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11/07/23 09:02 AM
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This is one of my favorite young bucks. He put on a lot of frame this year. Notice the ears back aggressive posture. All of the extras really add to the buck’s character.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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11/08/23 10:00 AM
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Bucket list item is coyote with bow. Put a bait out and set up a tree stand. The key is to get high enough to stay out of their wind. You will check that bucket list item off in short order. The good thing with a bow is you can take multiple coyotes off the bait before they wise up. How is this for a wide open shot standing still?
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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11/08/23 12:44 PM
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This is an interesting take, and good topic for discussion. I think there are a lot of variables that have to be taken into account as well. My son and I had a conversation recently about coyotes and their effect on deer.
Our conversation was they aren’t doing much to help with controlling our deer population. Not saying they don’t take any, just saying they don’t take enough as over half of those coyotes came way after fawning season.
I’m starting to think Eastern coyotes are different than the Western coyotes. Maybe it’s the amount of food they have. I’m sure our coyotes take fawns down here so I’d hate to see what our population would look like if they didn’t.
Most of my landowners want to nest raiders gone and “deer killers” are secondary to them. I trap the coyotes and cats to save turkeys.
I’m guessing your area doesn’t have the small game population we have in the South and deer would be one of their main food sources. It would be interesting to hear from other trappers in different states on the subject of depredation. What effect do you think coyotes have on your local deer population?
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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11/08/23 11:03 PM
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They take some fawns here, not sure how many, I've seen ones they've taken, but I don't think it is enough to affect the population. In the winter the coyotes will pack up to an extent here and do kill adult deer, most commonly that I see it is yearlings that they kill, but they will kill larger adults on occasion. This is both whitetail and mule deer. Primarily they eat small game however. Where I grew up on the coast it was pretty much unheard of for coyotes to kill adult deer, even the small blacktails we had there, they did kill fawns though.
Frankly out west, although they do eat deer, I don't think it is enough to affect the deer population, I have heard repeatedly however how the larger eastern coyotes prey heavily on deer.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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11/09/23 08:52 AM
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I agree with Rick. They are opportunists and will take advantage of a situation. Pups are born early enough so they are ready to eat meat when the fawns drop. They can easily take several a week to feed their large litter along with any farm animals.
Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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11/10/23 10:36 AM
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If you can buy a fawn two full weeks ( 10 to 14 days) the fawn has a 90% chance of not being taken by a predator. You Betcha' !This is what it all boils down to as far as fawns are concerned. If they make it past the first few weeks they will probably survive. The hurt needs to be put on Wile E. well before the fact. That way the area is void of coyotes during that time. Trapping coyote after fawns drop to help their survival rate is too little too late. The damage has already been done.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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11/10/23 11:59 AM
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Maybe we just have a higher deer population than other areas. We have to make a serious effort every year to reduce our deer numbers. We do everything from regular hunting, archery and rifle, to deer drives, and even riding in the mornings and evenings and stopping to shoot does. With all that we still have a robust population.
Then again maybe we just don’t have the coyote numbers other places have. Or maybe we do and our deer numbers would be completely out of control without them.
I’ve been going out sitting until well after dark listening for howls at sunset. Nothing yet.
A coon hunter found one of my management bucks dead last night. The manager went out this morning and found no holes of any kind or any signs of obvious sickness. He said the deer had been dead for days because it was making them gag while looking it over. What’s odd is nothing has touched that deer. The area the deer was found is in the back of our dove fields where I’ve shot 4 coyotes, 3 pups and the female back in August. You’d think if any were around or hungry they’d jump all over a free meal, especially one in the thicker bottoms.
We also have a robust small game population. Rabbits are everywhere along with squirrels, turkeys, and quail. We don’t hunt the small game except for turkeys and of course quail. We leave everything else as “prey” to protect the quail. We’d much rather a cat, fox, hawk, or snake take anything other than the money maker.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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11/12/23 05:43 PM
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When it comes to killing pigs we always target the brain trust if we have the option. The sows usually don’t get close to what the top boars weigh in at. This big gal was an exception to the rule. We named her Gordon Whitefoot.
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY
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11/12/23 05:49 PM
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This super-sow was 5’ 3” and tipped the scales at a whopping 270 pounds. She is the only sow to earn a top five spot among the all-time ranch heavyweights.
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