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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: upstateNY] #7988915
11/07/23 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by upstateNY

Also,,the $10 charge is good for a year,,,not a one trip deal.


that isn't bad
just that ours is free
yours is probably so they know who is cutting more than any revenue source.
at one point some hand wringer on council decided we should have to sign a liability waver first but still no charge
that ended a year or two later when everyone went back to not caring.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7988918
11/07/23 09:07 PM
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I grew up with wood stoves and is all I’ve ever used. Even my Colombian wife is proficient at making the morning fire. Toughest thing for me is when I gave up the local newspaper subscription. Don’t have newspaper to start with anymore.


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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7988926
11/07/23 09:15 PM
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My insurance company had no issues covering my wood stove as long as they had it inspected first (installed correctly). My rate went up a whopping $20 per year. The new stoves aren't the old stoves...and the insurance companies know it.

As for people complaining about the smoke, etc then having ordinances enacted. They need to get a life....but they won't.

Freedom is one of those things that every beats their chest about but as soon as someone else does something that they don't like, they demand it taken away. People want freedom for themselves but not others.

Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7988969
11/07/23 09:54 PM
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Burning wood is a lot like work.


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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: Steven 49er] #7988981
11/07/23 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
At today's prices it costs me 1500 to heat with propane. I'm not cutting wood for that. There are times I would like to have a fireplace to burn some, indoor wood heat sure is comfortable

Agreed. I'll stick with propane.

Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: Dirty D] #7988987
11/07/23 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
I too heat with wood. I have a masonry heater, most efficient way to heat with wood. No electricity required. One fire using about 50 lbs of wood/day, let it burn as fast and as hot as possible. Its reduced to coals in about 1 1.2 hrs. Give it another 1/2 hr or so when the coals are getting weak and then shut the air off. That will keep my house at an even temp with no hot spots thru out the house. I have a 2800sq ft house that uses about 2 1/2 cords/yr to keep it at 73-75.

There is some work involved with heating with wood. I don't mind it tho, and its easy when your retired an have the time. It gets me outside, gets me exercise and we don't worry about power outages.
I burn maybe 2-4 gallons making a years worth of firewood. We keep about 4 years of wood already cut, split and stacked on hand.

In the rural area I live in there are quite a few guys who heat with wood and are always looking for free wood. Not much wood goes to waste around here.




I’m interested in masonry heaters, did you build yours or have it professionally installed ? Any information about these is appreciated…..

Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7988988
11/07/23 10:17 PM
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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7989035
11/07/23 11:10 PM
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some of the best fire starter is waxed cardboard boxes cut in strips with the utility knife

junk mail , the local shopper , the cereal box , the box the butter comes in , it all burns

have a tub that stuff like that goes in and start fires with it

that is mostly in shoulder season like today , house just got down to 65 after turning the oven off a while ago so I lit a fire

will load it up and go to bed and will be warm all night.


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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: Orlando] #7989300
11/08/23 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Orlando
A lot of it might be most people do not want to put up with the mess and effort required to put up/burn wood. It's a lot easier to just turn up the thermostat.

This is it mostly


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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: Eyehi] #7989335
11/08/23 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Eyehi
I’m interested in masonry heaters, did you build yours or have it professionally installed ? Any information about these is appreciated…..

Me too!
I've had an outdoor wood boiler for a few decades. I'm going to be building a new place in a small town in WI. I don't want to deal with the new sophisticated outdoor wood boilers and had never heard of those masonry heaters. It sounds like a perfect solution for a guy like me. Leads on kits, craftsmen or dealers would really be appreciated.


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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: T-Rex] #7989343
11/08/23 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by T-Rex
Originally Posted by Eyehi
I’m interested in masonry heaters, did you build yours or have it professionally installed ? Any information about these is appreciated…..

Me too!
I've had an outdoor wood boiler for a few decades. I'm going to be building a new place in a small town in WI. I don't want to deal with the new sophisticated outdoor wood boilers and had never heard of those masonry heaters. It sounds like a perfect solution for a guy like me. Leads on kits, craftsmen or dealers would really be appreciated.



You can still get the old style they are just sold as coal burners. The only difference is a shaker grate and a Timmerman you can set on the back to kick on even if your water temp is not low enough for the blower to come on so your coal won't go out. I put it away in the house and just burn wood.

Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7989349
11/08/23 10:47 AM
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We burn a lot of firewood. But I like cutting, splitting and stacking firewood. It's kind of an obsession.

Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7989351
11/08/23 10:50 AM
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Masonry heaters typically have a large thermal mass of brick

with a small fire box

you build a small hot fire that burns clean and the exhaust gas goes up through the large masonry path to the chimney that has passages leading to the actual flue going up and out of the house.

your small hot fire warms this large mass and it then slowly releases heat keeping form having hot then cold of simply heating the air

it works best in houses that are well insulated and built around this large thermal mass

houses with more thermal mass inside the insulation envelope naturally take longer to warm up and longer to cool down

most new houses have light weight walls , with half inch dry wall the furnace puts out a little heat for long periods of time but they cool more quickly then the furnace shuts of , they also warm more quickly when you add heat again.
vs
a house with actual tons , thousands of pounds of mass in the walls of plaster not dry wall.

even if you have a newer house with light weight walls but add a few tons of brick that you efficiently heat up in the middle it will radiate out that heat for hours.

the cost to build masonry heaters however is very labor heavy it is a big up front investment with slow payback in heat savings.


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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7989352
11/08/23 10:52 AM
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I don't know about your area but around here I'll bet something like 75% of households outside of the towns have some wood burning capability.

Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: mike mason] #7989371
11/08/23 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mike mason
HEAP! Growing up on a farm, you cut/split wood or you froze. No, I'll sit my dupaw on the couch and use the HEAP voucher.

You must be polish using the word dupaw which is a polish word indicating your back end or butt. I use to hear my polish grandparents using the word occasionally.

Most insurance companies will insure you with a wood stove provided it meets their specifications. They will ask the agent for photos and measurements on the distance from anything flammable. Some will put a $50 surcharge on the policy. Outdoor wood boilers are no problem as long as they are a certain distance from buildings.


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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7989378
11/08/23 11:27 AM
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I used to live in a really old, uninsulated stone farmhouse. The walls were thirty inches thick. the house provided a lot of masonry mass. We heated it with a woodstove, it took forever to heat it up but after it was thoroughly warmed you could let the fire go out and the walls would radiate heat back into the house for days afterwards.


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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7989393
11/08/23 11:43 AM
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about the only thing in my house professionally installed is the wood stove and chimney
I built the hearth for them to set it on that exceeded the spec needed
500 for install of the stove and chimney and it made my insurance company happy didn't have premiums go up at all.


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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: Orlando] #7989662
11/08/23 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Orlando
A lot of it might be most people (ie: Wives) do not want to put up with the mess and effort required to put up/burn wood. It's a lot easier to just turn up the thermostat.

Fixed it for you, and I doubt there's a steady dependable source for firewood in Nebraska. I've been heating with wood since Dec '78, and loved ever minute of it, but now at 74, it's getting harder to put up my own wood, and I can't see buying it at the prices they want.

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Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7989705
11/08/23 07:38 PM
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Received this years ago from a friend. I'm sure prices have inflated since then, We will burn wood as long as the wife is able, lol.

How To Save Money With A Wood Stove!!!

Stove, pipe. installation, etc.................................$458.00

Chain Saw .....................................................$149.95

Gas and Maintenance for saw.....................................$44.60

4-Wheel drive Truck, stripped.................................$8879.04

4-Wheel Drive Maintenance.........................,,,,,,,,,,,,,$488.00

Replace Rear Window of Pickup (Twice)..........................$310.00

Fine For Cutting Unmarked Tree In State Park...................$500.00

Fourteen Cases of Michelob.....................................$126.00

Littering Fine..................................................$50.00

Tow Charge From Creek...........................................$50.00

Doctor's Fee For Removing Splinter From Eye.....................$45.00

Safety Glasses..................................................$49.50

Emergency Room Treatment (Broken Toes, Dropped Log)............$125.00

Safety Shoes....................................................$49.50

New Living Room Carpet.........................................$800.00

Paint Walls and Ceiling........................................$110.00

Worchester Chimmney Brush and Rods.............................$45.00

Log Splitter...................................................$150.00

Fifteen Acre Wood Lot.........................................$9000.00

Replace Coffee Table (Burned While Cold and Drunk...............$75.00

Divorce Settlement..........................................$33,678.22

Total First Years Cost.......................................$55,182.81


Savings In Propane First Year................................$62.37

Net Cost Of First Years Wood Burning.........................$55,119.85

Re: Why isn't wood used more? [Re: loosegoose] #7989793
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My large prob 3000sq ft farm house would have used 4 to 5 500 gal tanks of lp and the furnace couldn't get it above 68 running full out non stop. It's got 26 windows that need replaced and that would help but that's expensive also.
I had a headmaster c 375 outdoor wood l burned put in 160" from the house. It heats the house nice and warm can make it 90° on the coldest days if I wanted to. It heats my hot water mid Oct through mid April and I can run another line from it and heat another building. I paid a little over 13k buying it and having it put in. After 4 years it paid for its self in what it saved me in lp. It has a 2 foot by 2 foot door and is around 47" deep and 36"around.

I don't have to split much and I can cut it long if I can pick it up and get it in the door I can burn it. What I do split is so the wife and kids can load it when I'm gone. But even then I just assume cut it in short pieces and put big around short pieces in than split it if it's not easy splitting wood..

I spend about 150 on chains and saw gas(I run aviation fuel at 32 to 1) a year. I use some electricity to run the water circulation pump, blower, computer, and the blowers on the furnace. But I turn the electric water heater off when its running so probably save mone on electricity.
My farm stays cleaned up from all the trees that fall.

It saves me a lot of money but does require some time and work. But it's work I enjoy and I would be doing the clean up of down trees anyway and would rather burn them to heat my house instead of in a pile in a field.

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