I suppose that's as close as it comes. But the people of the time didn't consider a fetus to be a human being. Neither has Western law.

It wasn't illegal to kill a fetus until recent years. When I was in law school, it wasn't a crime. We read a case in criminal law about a man who in a rage stomped the fetus to death in his ex-wife's womb. I argued against the law professor about whether the murder or manslaughter statute covered the man's actions. I said yes. But I lost the debate--and now I understand why.

Jim

.. well that settles it … I’m riding into town to stomp some fetuses

… why would you argue against it ?

It's probably now illegal in your state, Savell. Most state legislatures have enacted laws to criminalize it.

Jim

…now there’s some fetuses around here that would make good trot line bait no doubt … but who am I to judge so long as I have a good supply of bream to cut

… if that runs dry we’ll talk lol

What are you considering recent years, James? It wasn't illegal when you were in law school due to Roe V Wade but it absolutely was before that. In America, abortions began being banned long before even the industrial revolution with it being illegal in all states by 1900. So from when the first state banned abortion in 1820 until Roe V Wade in 1973, abortion was illegal in at least some US States. So, America is what, 247 years old? If you do the math, abortion was illegal for most of the history of the United States.

Reference

https://intranet.bixbycenter.ucsf.edu/publications/files/HonoringSFsAbortionPioneers.pdf

The people of the time of the bible fed people to lions, strung people up on poles, raped pillaged and plunder, women had zero rights and were considered property of their father and husband.

My point? Just sayin.

Tried that but according to some that don't count. The conclusion I came to is they, James and Rex, don't consider the child in the womb to be a child at all.
James how did I miss interpret the verse, when it says we are the image bearers of God that's exactly what it means???
I guess my attempt was to show that according to God, a person has an identity before even entering the womb. Jeremiah 1:5. If they have an identity maybe then they'll follow the science and realize that is a human being in the womb.
My conclusion is that Rex and James are trying to say since the bible don't specifically mention abortion to be wrong, although it's implied, it gives man full reign, biblically speaking, to continue in the aborting of the unborn.

Amen Paul.

That doesn't nullify the commandment. The commandment wasn't made by man, but rather by God.

How do you know the commandment refers to the unborn? God could have been a lot clearer, if that's what he meant.

The debate always comes down to whether you consider a fetus to be a human being. This is a personal question and should be between an individual and their Creator.

As someone pointed out, there were no laws against abortion until the 19th Century.

The Bible doesn't say "Thou shall not commit abortion."

Jim

Be fruitful and multiply.

If you are a true Christain even a fetus is a human and you won't kill it.

Maybe abortion should be mandatory for the party that strongly supports it. Problem solved 20 yrs from now.

God was pretty clear you just want to be obtuse. Killing your own child would most likely never occur to the Jews at that time, since they were considered a sign of God's blessing.

Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them.

First I stated that I was against abortion . I was trying to show what the other side does when silly reasons are used to oppose it. second thou shall not kill .We as a people kill every day of the week in this country. But as usual Stanton you pick and choice your verses, what about turn your cheek in stead of fighting do you do that? What about thou shall not judge you do that all the time on here. What about treat your neighbor as you would like to be treated judging by your post gotta say no to that one. So mister walk on water what have you got to say? I can go on and on with these just trying to show you pick and choose from the bible like it's a menu in China.

The Jews had no law against abortion ask a Rabbi I did.

Here you go James.


Exodus 21:22  If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 

Just because "we as a people kill every day in of the week in this country" doesn't mean it isn't wrong.

Even after Roe, I believe it was common to charge a person who killed a pregnant woman with 2 crimes. Can’t provide examples but that’s my memory. So while abortion wasn’t killing a fetus, killing a pregnant woman was.