All right guys tonight I started into the process of developing a new lure/bait for getters. Starting from scratch, not someone else's formulation I'm trying to copy or build off. Got a rough idea of direction I want to go, as in the base I want to start with and a handful of ingredients I want to try.

Never have tried to develop a grab and pull dope before or even bought one that suppose to be designed for this. Sent some other formulations to a government trapper last year to try and he ended up trying one on getters after the results he had trapping with it. Think he might have got a few pulls with it put as a whole it didn't work which isn't too surprising as I'm guessing some of the ingredients and quantity of them very likely had a negative taste.

But after visiting some with him and him stating he would really like finding a new change up for his getters I decided it sounded like a fun challenge.
Got to thinking maybe some of you guys would like to follow along in this process with me posting pics and comments of how I test it through the steps and my results. If so let me know and I'll see if I can't do it.

I've never targeted a bite and pull response so how to develop and test it might be a learning curve for me. Might take 2 months or a year to get through the process and it might not result in anything worth while either. Maybe you guys would have ideas along the way that could help. It would be nice to video it and put it on YouTube for you guys but I don't have the equipment or know how to do that right now.

Probably won't share all the ingredients in detail but maybe share a few and will tell you through all the steps when I have added a new ingredient in the mix. Will be testing step by step with each additional ingredient and possibly different amounts of each ingredient. Be a lot of side by side testing I think. Again this bite and pull thing is all new to me.

So again if there's interest let me know and I'll see what I can do.

Yup, interested.

Not that I use getters, but interested in your process; and I figure anything that will work as a grab and pull lure ought to draw them close enough to step in a trap also.

I'm interested and always looking to learn from others in the know.

Yes I'm interested also. I hope you can find the time to share the process of developing and testing generally speaking.

Definitely interested, very little of this type of info anywhere to be found!

Always willing to learn. Looking forward to your contributions

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Plan on starting with a base of three parts 40% mild tainted horse, 20% bacon and the other 40% I'm keeping to myself. Silkyplainscoyot shared some good information with me on another base that I might incorporate in the testing. It's not an easy base to get in quantity so it might only be a percentage of the base for the reason that if things end well I might want to sell commercially and I've learned a lesson already about building on a base difficult to get in volume. Use to get a base in volume but now it hasn't been available for a couple years.

Made about 2 dozen of these bait stick for testing. Drilled hole in dowel for about a foot and a half wire to wire to earth anchor. I don't want them leaving with it so hopefully I can reuse them and maybe Guage their intrest based on how much they chew and play with them after they pull them. For me it's not just important the formulations get worked but I want the most attraction I can get.

With other formulations I guage this mostly by how hard they will dig to get at the formulation. If they get to pulling and chewing regularly on this new formulation before I've tested all the ingredients I'm thinking I might have to go back to dirt holes to guage whether the new ingredient increased attraction over the previous formulation then verify they will still bite and pull on the sticks still.

I've come to the realization that some ingredients have great attraction but don't taste well therefore hindering the bite and pull response. Thinking that was the issue with my prepared bait that was previously tried on getters. Lots of attraction just not getting them to pull.

I'll start out putting out 4 to 6 test sets with the 2 higher percentage bases out side by side one base on each stick. Based on my previous experience I doubt I'll have much action on either base by themselves as even down dirt holes single food bases don't get much digging but you can't learn anything from the coyotes without asking questions. Speculating I'm not going to see many pulls before I really start getting into the secondary odors but sometimes you learn things even if the coyotes aren't doing what you want. I just like knowing what each ingredient does or doesn't do. Just helps increase my knowledge for future formulations.

Got one set out couple days ago, hopefully get the rest out Sunday. After testing the 2 primary bases against each other I'll probably mix all three parts of my original idea for a base together and test it beside the 2 primary bases mixed with the base Silky mentioned.

All these test sets will be on proven locations that I have recently got good action at testing other formulations so I know they will be in front of coyotes. Probably give each test about a week at each location then move on the next test. From what I've gathered by visiting with several people about getters taste and longevity in all kinds of weather is important in getter formulations.

If this pans out I figure this formulation will be a great bait for flat sets were you dont want to worry about the rolling response or sets your really wanting to go the food only route with.

And Laz I was using bacon before I ever saw your bacon bait recipe. I just want to make that clear before any lawyers get involved over idea infringements.

I'll stay tuned. Interested in seeing your results, Seth.

Well ended up getting 3 more test sets out Saturday and was driving past one this morning while checking water. Had a pull on the unnamed base. The horse was untouched. Some teeth marks on both end of stick, felt had a far amount of chewing. Coyote left a calling card too. Definitely did some chewing after pulling stick.

If you’re keeping that other 40% for yourself, how does it make it into
The formulation? Hahaha

Awe the secret magic of lure making
Tomorrow ill probably check the other 2 sets I put out Saturday. I like to check my test sets after 3 or 4 nights then after 7 to 10 nights, time permitting. Unless I got a camera over them then I just go about 10 days. But I only run cameras on a small percentage of my test sets.

Checked my 3 other test sets today. One that had been out 5 nights got pulled on the unnamed base. Not much chewing after pull. One set was untouched without any sign at set. The third had a visitor last night. No pull but looked like it had licked on the stick with horse on it some as it appeared like most of the bait was gone on it. There was also quite a bit of scratching out in front of bait sticks like he was looking for a bedded trap. He also peed on an old test set about 3 foot away that was about 12 days old and had been dug numerous times.

Round 2

Since the unnamed base was getting pulled frequently I decided I'd try using just the horse base to test the secondary odors I want to try.

Got 3 glands I wanted to test in a bite and pull formulation, mink, rat and a secret one. Mixed some of the rat and mink up with the horse a week to let marinade. Put out 4 test sets today with the mink and rat glands mixed with the horse going head to head. Try to check after 3 nights and again at a week.

Checked the old sets after about 2 weeks and pretty much all the sticks had been pulled.

So to understand, you used a less attractive (from a bite and pull perspective) base to add the secondary ingredients to so that you could test which secondaries actually got the best bite response? Or did I misread

Nope I think you got the idea. By using the less attractive base it is easier to see which secondary ingredients actually improve the bite and pull response. If that makes sense.

Been raining this week and because of mud I didn't get out to check sets until today. Fought mud, rain and cold to get to 2 of them. One set is close to house so can check it while feeding if road is dry. It got pulled on one stick sometime on the 4 or 5 night. Other stick not touched. One set had both pulled but one they must have chewed on enough they broke stick and stole it. The other stick had a fair amount of chewing. Next set both sticks where pulled with no real indication of a preference one way or the other.

The 4th set I was too cold and wet to check and it was starting to rain harder.

The set with only one stick pulled and the stick they broke off and stole were both the same gland mixed with the horse base so I'm assuming it had a bit more attraction than the other gland. Wish I could have got to them at day 3 or 4. Going on hunting trip next week so be a week or so before I get any more out.