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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: Massac] #7993557
11/13/23 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Massac
Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)
Not everyone can grow?Oh come on,you know better than that.Before all the legalization nonsense started there was a thriving dope industry in this country.It didn't blossom the last few years when legalization started,its been anywhere and everywhere.And its still thriving,legalization hasn't stopped anything ,a lot of growers still grow it illegally so they don't have to go the legal business route and pay the taxes and follow the regs that go along with running a business.It has removed the fear of getting caught because it no longer has any priority with law enforcement.So now,we have legal and illegal drug businesses running hand in hand.Nothing solved.Anybody that thought it would lives in a fools paradise.



Since I can't quote you saying people won't pay for highly taxed pot, I'm going to respond to you here. I live in a small Illinois town with a dispensary who runs operations throughout Illinois and Michigan as well. They sell grams for $20, ounces for $300. They are slammed full of people every single day of the week. The parking lot is filled to the brim with out of staters from Kentucky, Tennessee, Indiana. They do tons of business and bring in tons of tax money. The pot is taxed based on its potency. There are 3 tiers of tax, where the highest tier is taxed up to 18% I believe. This place's prices are more than double what you can pay for pot on the street ($10 grams, $120 ounces). So yes, know-it-all, there are tons of people willing to pay their money over over priced, over taxed pot.


And there are tons more that don't.So now you have a thriving legal AND illegal drug industry.Legalizing didn't solve a thing.


Buck(formely known as Zandra)
Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993560
11/13/23 03:09 PM
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Buck now they don't fill the prisons up with people for pot. That does solve a problem .

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993598
11/13/23 04:37 PM
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Just what we needed, another class of crap faced idiots on the nations highways.


Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.

Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.

Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993638
11/13/23 05:48 PM
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Ok. If a marijuana dispensary gets robbed for 100000 cash and 50 lbs of pot . How is the robbers caught and sent to prison? It's federally illegal to have 50 lbs of pot ? So HOW do you file report? Asking for a friend ?? LloL!

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: steeltraps] #7993640
11/13/23 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Ok. If a marijuana dispensary gets robbed for 100000 cash and 50 lbs of pot . How is the robbers caught and sent to prison? It's federally illegal to have 50 lbs of pot ? So HOW do you file report? Asking for a friend ?? LloL!


Violated State law. I'm still wondering, if the State collects these taxes in cash, where do they keep all this cash and how do they pay for stuff with the cash?

P.S. Where do I apply for this State cash collecting job? smile

Last edited by Dirt; 11/13/23 05:55 PM.

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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: BigBob] #7993644
11/13/23 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBob
Just what we needed, another class of crap faced idiots on the nations highways.



Do you truly believe they are not allready out there. If so your very sheltered or just native.

Last edited by Providence Farm; 11/13/23 07:32 PM.
Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: Buck (Zandra)] #7993687
11/13/23 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck (Zandra)

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And there are tons more that don't.So now you have a thriving legal AND illegal drug industry.Legalizing didn't solve a thing.


Can’t speak for entire state but in the populated parts of the state where I live there is lots of change underway since the state legalized. I don’t grow or use but I’m not sure if legalization has really been as good as many hoped when they voted for it. Here are some things I’ve seen happening where I live——

There’s tons of tax dollars going into state coffers but what does our commie Governor do with it? She probably sends it to metro Detroit welfare programs. I definitely believe the taxes are generated but I’m sure it’s not that simple once it’s collected I thought alot of taxing hit at the point where product entered supply chain. Perhaps at retail level too but I am not sure; there’s a dispensary in about every town including the conservative Republican areas and they aren’t hurting for customers. I do kniw that there are “banks” niw specializing in holding the weed revenues.

The big grow and processing operations do put a lot of money into local economy. The weed industry is high tech stuff with equipment and lab facilities that put best universities to shame. The operations here were primarily funded, licensed, staffed and generally coordinated by outfits from California and Colorado thst already had played the bureaucratic game to get on the board. Large outlays in fences, buildings, indoor lighting/plumbing etc. plus they all hire huge staff to tend the crop and even more to process it. The initial start up made lots of money for those supplying the operations.

Another local change is way more people know how to grow quality weed now. The state allows individuals to grow for personal consumption. And I haven’t seen a helicopter fly in years looking for illegal grows There’s weed in tons of back yards in open view now. That outdoor weed was worth $200+ bucks an ounce before legalization. Lots of locals made a sizable income on illegal market. That market is essentially dead. There’s so much weed here that there’s zero miney to be made illegal growing and you are already seeing some of the licensed grows pushed to the point of no profitability. Nobody with any understanding of market intends on getting into it niw. Id guess you’ll start seeing consolidation of operations in future

One other thing i see now is way more people smoking in public. Especially in vehicles. If you pull up to a stop light in city and don’t see or smell someone next you smoking that’s rare

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: Dirt] #7993690
11/13/23 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by steeltraps
Ok. If a marijuana dispensary gets robbed for 100000 cash and 50 lbs of pot . How is the robbers caught and sent to prison? It's federally illegal to have 50 lbs of pot ? So HOW do you file report? Asking for a friend ?? LloL!


Violated State law. I'm still wondering, if the State collects these taxes in cash, where do they keep all this cash and how do they pay for stuff with the cash?

P.S. Where do I apply for this State cash collecting job? smile


And who counts the cash?

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7993694
11/13/23 07:23 PM
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"Until recently, the IRS assessed a 10% penalty to legal marijuana businesses that paid their taxes in cash Hill says. In 2014, one of them sued. The following year, the IRS revised its policy and said it would no longer apply the 10% penalty to businesses that had tried in good faith to open bank accounts. However, Hill says the IRS would still prefer to be paid by check, credit card, or electronic deposit, “rather than with bags of cash smelling of weed.”"

There is some dirty money. smile


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: Providence Farm] #7994604
11/14/23 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by BigBob
Just what we needed, another class of crap faced idiots on the nations highways.



Do you truly believe they are not allready out there. If so your very sheltered or just native.

Of course they're out there, now, there's a whole bunch more smoking that crap that wouldn't have had the 'nad's to try it while it was illegal. You can get a contact high sitting at a long red light! And what about folks that don't want or because of medical reasons can't have that crap interfering with there other med's and/or medical condition. Have you ever seen anyone passing around a syringe full of insulin? That whole dispensary scene is a big joke.


Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.

Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.

Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7994876
11/15/23 05:11 AM
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This is Vancouver BC. I imagine this problem may take care of it's self.


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: Providence Farm] #7994886
11/15/23 06:24 AM
11/15/23 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Buck now they don't fill the prisons up with people for pot. That does solve a problem .


Give it time and they will be in there for some other crime.

Last edited by HobbieTrapper; 11/15/23 06:24 AM.

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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7994894
11/15/23 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Buck now they don't fill the prisons up with people for pot. That does solve a problem .


Give it time and they will be in there for some other crime.


Not totally true Hobbie. People work so they can buy their dope, so they can worker harder to buy more dope. As far as 2nd and 3rd causes, Well accidents just happen !

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: Foxpaw] #7994895
11/15/23 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Buck now they don't fill the prisons up with people for pot. That does solve a problem .


Give it time and they will be in there for some other crime.


Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Not totally true Hobbie. People work so they can buy their dope, so they can worker harder to buy more dope. As far as 2nd and 3rd causes, Well accidents just happen !


If they are personal use drug users and getting caught, they are going to jail for something down the road. We ain’t talking about the sharpest tacks in the box.


-Goofy
Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7994899
11/15/23 06:55 AM
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Repeat after me. Its not the dope! Its not the dope! Its not the dope! There ya go, you are getting the hang of it already.

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: yotetrapper30] #7994913
11/15/23 07:18 AM
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so how do you stop it?????????????? serious question. so far no one has said.


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: danny clifton] #7994937
11/15/23 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
so how do you stop it?????????????? serious question. so far no one has said.


Same way you stop murder, stealing, raping and other offenses.


-Goofy
Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: danny clifton] #7995052
11/15/23 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
so how do you stop it?????????????? serious question. so far no one has said.


If you are talking how do you stop States from making pot legal. That's easy. Have the Federal government threaten to withhold highway funds. Now which is more lucrative. Pot taxes or highway funds?

This is how the drinking age got to be 21 in all States.


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Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7995058
11/15/23 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by danny clifton
so how do you stop it?????????????? serious question. so far no one has said.


Same way you stop murder, stealing, raping and other offenses.

Long prison terms and possible death penalty for anyone caught with a joint?

Re: Drug Legalization Failure [Re: loosegoose] #7995064
11/15/23 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by danny clifton
so how do you stop it?????????????? serious question. so far no one has said.


Same way you stop murder, stealing, raping and other offenses.

Originally Posted by loosegoose
Long prison terms and possible death penalty for anyone caught with a joint?


That still doesn’t stop the others from happening for a few people does it?

You are not going to stop it completely, however, would there be more murdering, stealing and raping if it were made legal?

If we are going to go freedom and the honor system let’s do it right.

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