Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: Steven 49er]
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12/05/23 05:35 PM
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How many states that have trapping have an outright ban on non resident trapping? Why?
There are a couple states that have an outright ban on trapping. Hawaii and California come to mind. Of the states that allow some form of trapping only one has an outright ban on Non Resident trappers. That would be MN. What is the purpose of the non-resident trapping ban?
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: Idahotrapguy]
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12/05/23 07:51 PM
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Wy Wolfer, I had to go through a lot just to get that 3 day non resident deal pushed through. Don't think I would ever get the regular non resident fur buyer or 3 day non resident fur buyer license fees reduced. Pretty tough to get state agencies to go backwards on fees. Our resident fur buyer license is cheap. No license required for coyotes, skunks and horns by the way. Rusty
Life member of ITA, NTA, and NRA. President for Idaho Trappers Association.
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: martentrapper]
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12/05/23 10:05 PM
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Alaska doesn't have trapper Ed. Are we still able to get a non res license? Surprised to hear Alaska doesn't have Trapper Ed! You would think that the ATA would get on that and push it thru so they came influence the trapper some more like they do with their code of ethics.
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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12/06/23 12:19 PM
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Alaska doesn't have trapper Ed. Are we still able to get a non res license? You would have to take the Idaho course in person. This seems to be a barrier for some people. In person classes only offered at certain times. How do you find time to attend in person when you don’t live there? Are there any online courses the state of Idaho recognizes?
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: Idahotrapguy]
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12/06/23 12:27 PM
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"(If you have a similar trappers ed and buy a non resident trapping license of coarse)"
So I have taken the Wisconsin Trapper Ed course by correspondence. This should suffice for Idaho and most other States that have these trapper ed barriers?
"Q: Do I need a trapper education course if I trapped in another state? A: Maybe. Having previously held a license in another state does not exempt anyone from the trapper education requirement. The Idaho trapper education course is unique to our state (rules and regulations, trap types, non-target species avoidance, etc.). However, if you have taken trapper education in another state, it may exempt you from taking the Idaho course. We accept certification of trapper education from 28 other states that have courses similar to ours. To find out if certification from another state applies to you, please contact a regional office."
Last edited by Dirt; 12/06/23 12:47 PM.
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: Idahotrapguy]
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12/06/23 05:44 PM
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Rusty, I'm surprised at only 25 nonresident trapping licenses a year. I've ran into about that many nonresident trappers myself. Guessing most of them must be here in Northern Idaho where Montana, Washington, and Oregon are all close. I know of trappers from both Washington and Montana who live close enough to trap from home and just drive over every trap check.
A little expansion on the Trappers Ed requirements. It was not a requirement until 2018 (I believe, might be off a year or so) if you had previously had an Idaho trapping license you are exempt. At first they honored no other states class, so that has changed, I assume Rusty and the ITA had something to do with that, but he can correct me if I'm wrong. You have been required to take the wolf trapping course since they started a wolf trapping season. Unlike the hunters ed and bowhunters ed which went online with Covid, you still have to take both trapping courses in person, and they are only offered a few times a year, usually spring and summer. They suspended all classes for about a year and a half with Covid, but didn't suspend the requirement. This was a major pain for young people or people like my wife (we were married in 2018) who managed to take the wolf course before they closed everything down for Covid, but missed most of two trapping seasons because there was not a regular trappers ed course even offered. Nonresidents need to call an sign up for a class (class sizes are limited) and make a trip out to take the class before they can trap. Very seldom are classes offered at a time when they can take the class and then start trapping the same trip.
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: Slick Pan]
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12/12/23 12:21 PM
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Alaska doesn't have trapper Ed. Are we still able to get a non res license? Surprised to hear Alaska doesn't have Trapper Ed! You would think that the ATA would get on that and push it thru so they came influence the trapper some more like they do with their code of ethics. I'm surprised that MT still lets trappers with no ethics still set traps. Maybe that's why judges keep shutting seasons down.
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: 330-Trapper]
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12/12/23 12:41 PM
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We have no reciprocity law. That is IMHO the best way to handle non-resident trappers. If they are not threat to the resource, no need for these laws. Reciprocity is the worst. Greed and selfishness Interesting comment coming from the state that doesn't allow any nonresident trapping.
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: bearcat2]
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12/12/23 09:09 PM
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Rusty, I'm surprised at only 25 nonresident trapping licenses a year. I've ran into about that many nonresident trappers myself. Guessing most of them must be here in Northern Idaho where Montana, Washington, and Oregon are all close. I know of trappers from both Washington and Montana who live close enough to trap from home and just drive over every trap check.
A little expansion on the Trappers Ed requirements. It was not a requirement until 2018 (I believe, might be off a year or so) if you had previously had an Idaho trapping license you are exempt. At first they honored no other states class, so that has changed, I assume Rusty and the ITA had something to do with that, but he can correct me if I'm wrong. You have been required to take the wolf trapping course since they started a wolf trapping season. Unlike the hunters ed and bowhunters ed which went online with Covid, you still have to take both trapping courses in person, and they are only offered a few times a year, usually spring and summer. They suspended all classes for about a year and a half with Covid, but didn't suspend the requirement. This was a major pain for young people or people like my wife (we were married in 2018) who managed to take the wolf course before they closed everything down for Covid, but missed most of two trapping seasons because there was not a regular trappers ed course even offered. Nonresidents need to call an sign up for a class (class sizes are limited) and make a trip out to take the class before they can trap. Very seldom are classes offered at a time when they can take the class and then start trapping the same trip. One correction in your statement “if you previously had a trapping license before trapping education was mandated in 2018 you are exempt from taking the course.” You are only exempt if you held a license since 2011. Anybody that didn’t have a license since 2011 must take the course. I personally do not believe an entire on line course would be beneficial for trapping. Maybe going over some of the laws and rules on line would be okay but then people still get confused about some of them. Idaho trapping education teaches a lot of hands on things you can’t get on line. Also, I don’t know about you area but here in the Upper Snake River office, Trapper Ed. courses are offered in the winter, spring, summer and fall.
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: sneaky]
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12/12/23 11:28 PM
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I'm surprised that MT still lets trappers with no ethics still set traps. Maybe that's why judges keep shutting seasons down. [/quote]
Everyone knows that anything trapping related as far as regulations come from Idaho first and then Montana copies it.
Last edited by Slick Pan; 12/12/23 11:29 PM.
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: bearcat2]
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12/13/23 12:21 AM
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Do any of these other 28 states offer online courses? I wonder if that would be a way around the in person requirement, if you lived in say Alaska, but Idaho honored say Wisconsin's course, could you take Wisconsin's online course and satisfy the requirement? New mexico does But no longer allows public land trapping unless you are a enrolled member of a federally recognized tribe
Last edited by TravC; 12/13/23 12:22 AM.
There i said it....
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: wy.wolfer]
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12/13/23 01:00 AM
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Steven 49er
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[ What is the purpose of the non-resident trapping ban? There isn't any purpose other than people are bad at math.
"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
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Re: Changing Idaho reciprocity laws
[Re: Idahotrapguy]
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12/13/23 08:13 AM
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In the fur boom era out of stater's not paying attention to property lines or not caring, running over fence's, catching hound's, etc, etc. caused all sorts of bad laws to come to be, is how our 500.00 N/R license came to be which at the time in the 70's was basically a ban. It was either that or the legislature was gong to ban trapping, PERIOD! It got changed BUT all the other crap law's from that era remain, no road side trapping, fox and coon trapping is banned in one county, no one know's that but it's on the law books if they ever wish to pull it out like they did the live market laws they never enforced either.
Whole slew of bad laws came about from N/R trapping in the fur boom.
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