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Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: TravC] #8019389
12/12/23 09:30 PM
12/12/23 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TravC
I didnt say they didnt.
I said somethings you just cant explain.
Very familiar with crockett and raegan county


Trav, what’s the story on Reagan and Crockett counties?… I’m not familiar with that area

.. my limited experience with sheep in this part of the state was they would daylight kill right in front of the rancher and see it through even under gunfire (female coyotes)


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Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: Savell] #8019391
12/12/23 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Savell
Originally Posted by TravC
I didnt say they didnt.
I said somethings you just cant explain.
Very familiar with crockett and raegan county


Trav, what’s the story on Reagan and Crockett counties?… I’m not familiar with that area

.. my limited experience with sheep in this part of the state was they would daylight kill right in front of the rancher and see it through even under gunfire (female coyotes)



Lo charlies sure aint worried about sheepman ballistics

Just country that been worked a long time mostly sheep n goats


There i said it....
Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: swamp] #8019396
12/12/23 09:36 PM
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… well what was the dang difference between them Trav ?! lol


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Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: steeltraps] #8019402
12/12/23 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Boone. Thanks for the advice. I agree on the calling. I have yet to even try any here. Did use siren a few times to locate in summer. I looked at AGM for about 4000 grand. It will get job done on pigs. That what I used to guide for back in Alabama. My thinking was this. Set up im summer on water holes at night. Place I'm on now has VERY little water on 100000 acres. No calling. Just set with right wind and wait. I confess. I get bored sometimes at sheep camp! LOL!

I don't know coyotes like some of you guys on this thread but do know with coyotes their nose is king. I'd think these super spooky coyotes would be likely to scent check a vulnerable place like the only water for miles around for safety reasons and also the possibility of food. How far can you shoot with a thermal.

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: Boone Liane] #8019404
12/12/23 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Originally Posted by steeltraps
Boone what do you think about = Where water is scarce. Sitting ONLY with proper wind. Over know water holes or tanks to kill coyotes? Have hear a few USDA guys talk about it as an effective tactic. Please give me your opinion. Is it worth drop money on thermal?


I truly believe thermals are the most overrated thing out there. It is the “foxpro phenomenon” 2.0.

If just half these shooters killed just half of what they claim they did, there would be no use for any control men because there wouldn’t hardly be a coyote left out there!

A GOOD thermal setup is gonna set a guy back $12-15k or more.

$12-15k can buy a LOT of traps and snares and I guarantee you what one is more effective at getting the tough coyotes, at getting coyotes quickly, and at reducing a population and keeping it suppressed.


You may not think much of thermals, but there are a bunch of folks that couldn't call a coyote during daylight to save their souls, but they are killing them with thermals after dark...and they are doing it very efficiently with $5K set ups. Im not for or against thermals, but they have made a lot of subpar canine hunters into frequent coyote killers...like it or not.

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: Savell] #8019407
12/12/23 09:42 PM
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One kinda let it go the other stayed with it.

Was lots of coyotes that headed into crockett from raegan i had alot come from the shannon country and then another area to the north
Alot was oil field money younger generation didnt care much about raiseing sheep as much so funding went down and some guys just didnt fight coyotes on cow calf near as hard
Coyotes filled in over the years.


There i said it....
Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: swamp] #8019413
12/12/23 09:46 PM
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Coyotes will adapt to night calling just like they did day time calling. May take a few generations

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: TravC] #8019418
12/12/23 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TravC
One kinda let it go the other stayed with it.

Was lots of coyotes that headed into crockett from raegan i had alot come from the shannon country and then another area to the north
Alot was oil field money younger generation didnt care much about raiseing sheep as much so funding went down and some guys just didnt fight coyotes on cow calf near as hard
Coyotes filled in over the years.

Ozona Wool Growers = offers 50 a coyote in 2020. BUT when you try to collect. Ops Crockett County has been broke since August and it November now! Ask me how I know! LOL!!

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: steeltraps] #8019419
12/12/23 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Originally Posted by TravC
One kinda let it go the other stayed with it.

Was lots of coyotes that headed into crockett from raegan i had alot come from the shannon country and then another area to the north
Alot was oil field money younger generation didnt care much about raiseing sheep as much so funding went down and some guys just didnt fight coyotes on cow calf near as hard
Coyotes filled in over the years.

Ozona Wool Growers = offers 50 a coyote in 2020. BUT when you try to collect. Ops Crockett County has been broke since August and it November now! Ask me how I know! LOL!!



Used to be 100 back in 15 30 on cats and reds
Was q30 before 15 if i remember right

Had a few stolen for bpunty caught a rancher red handed once to

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There i said it....
Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: swamp] #8019421
12/12/23 09:51 PM
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I have some friends that are all in with the thermal coyote calling here. They are knocking down a good number of them to. I was a little bummed at first as it takes away from my chances at trapping them but i now look at it as a challenge to get the ones they don't. In the end, we're both working toward the same goal of reducing the numbers.
I think coyotes live more on their traits, like good hunting dogs. It's bred in them, wary yes, super smart? I don't think so.

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: Yes sir] #8019424
12/12/23 09:54 PM
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Yes Sir. IR Hunter I had and sold awhile back would go out to as far as you could shoot a coyote Detection range = list how far the thermal company says you can recognize a object. Like say = 1700 yard detection range. I agree. For 4000. AGM Varmit will go out to 2000 yards. So how far can you shoot coyote?? Basically. How flat does your rifle shoot? Good 22 250 set up? 300 yards is a LONG way at nite

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: steeltraps] #8019431
12/12/23 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Yes Sir. IR Hunter I had and sold awhile back would go out to as far as you could shoot a coyote Detection range = list how far the thermal company says you can recognize a object. Like say = 1700 yard detection range. I agree. For 4000. AGM Varmit will go out to 2000 yards. So how far can you shoot coyote?? Basically. How flat does your rifle shoot? Good 22 250 set up? 300 yards is a LONG way at nite

Gotcha. I know nothing about them and thought I'd heard they limited your range a fair amount

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: bleeohio] #8019448
12/12/23 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bleeohio
I have some friends that are all in with the thermal coyote calling here. They are knocking down a good number of them to. I was a little bummed at first as it takes away from my chances at trapping them but i now look at it as a challenge to get the ones they don't. In the end, we're both working toward the same goal of reducing the numbers.
I think coyotes live more on their traits, like good hunting dogs. It's bred in them, wary yes, super smart? I don't think so.

Sorry. But what works in Ohio. Want work in West Texas sheep country. Just like some things we do here might not work in Ohio. We have All seen the video from Kanas where their are 2 guys with thermals watching about 40 coyotes. I have no doubt it works in the mid West and north. But different state. Require different tactics Like = To go out and see a coyote here is some times hard by it's self. Pressure and education make a coyote smart. These coyotes out here have been Shot at from helicopters ran by dogs snared trapped poisoned and all for 100 plus years

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: Yes sir] #8019454
12/12/23 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Coyotes will adapt to night calling just like they did day time calling. May take a few generations


They already have here on the western open plains. I trap for ranchers that say the thermal guys are seeing quite a few coyotes but can't get them to commit. They are hanging up farther out and using low spots or cover to their advantage, so they can't get a shot.

I think terrain and cover has to do with why the thermal guys are having better success in certain areas. Like eastern Nebraska, Ohio, and Michigan. The coyotes are getting close enough and feel secure at the edge of cover leaving them vulnerable for a shot.

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: swamp] #8019460
12/12/23 10:21 PM
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Silky. I think you are dead on the money!! In Alabama while guiding thermal hog hunts. I have seen coyotes. Think they where hidden. They would be behind some low sage bush. To them. They were covered. But We often shot them between the eyes. Peeking around cover.

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: swamp] #8019465
12/12/23 10:24 PM
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I agree 100% with you steeltraps, every area is different. There are so many road kill deer around here, any coyote won't go hungry here. And yes, i've seen the videos that make it look like there's a coyote in every nook and crany It;s not that way here either. A guy would have to work pretty hard to catch 50 yotes a season in my area mostly just securing enough ground to trap. In a good season i'm good for 20-30 and i only foothold. I should start using cables and that number would go up a bit for sure. By the time we get good snaring snow here i'm usually whooped by then.

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: bleeohio] #8019477
12/12/23 10:34 PM
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Bleeohio. I do think a thermal scope has its place. I keep an open mind with coyotes. I want to use ALL the tools available to me to kill them. TEXAS is a great state to trap in for deprivation work. Denning Calling Trapping Snaring M-44s Helicopters Dogs are all tools here. Some don't approve of Some methods of killing a coyote. But I always say = IF I had too. And there was no other way and I knew I could climb a tree and drop a 40 lb rock on a coyotes head I would do it!! LoL!!

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: Yes sir] #8019490
12/12/23 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Coyotes will adapt to night calling just like they did day time calling. May take a few generations


Already happening.

And than what? Where do you go from there?

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: Boone Liane] #8019591
12/13/23 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Originally Posted by Yes sir
Coyotes will adapt to night calling just like they did day time calling. May take a few generations


Already happening.

And than what? Where do you go from there?

We must educate the == Over callers before it's to late!!!!! Sorry. Just had to say it. It's late and running low on Wellers! LoL!

Re: Canine revenge killing ? [Re: Boone Liane] #8019669
12/13/23 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Originally Posted by Yes sir
Coyotes will adapt to night calling just like they did day time calling. May take a few generations


Already happening.

And than what? Where do you go from there?

Better calls and calling. Everything improves over time.

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