Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/14/23 06:17 PM
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According to NewsMax this morning, the fed not raising interest rates had a lot to do with it.
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: Trapper7]
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12/14/23 07:25 PM
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According to NewsMax this morning, the fed not raising interest rates had a lot to do with it. They're predicting not raising, not saying it won't raise . I doubt their prediction is correct, it never is.
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: white17]
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12/14/23 08:16 PM
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Fuel prices(energy) are down cuz the US is recently back too recorded production,,,,, had Biden kept going with trumps plan instead of trying too appease the green crowd. Fuel prices would of never risen and we wouldn’t of had so much pain,,,,,
Election year coming up,,,,,
The pop yesterday was from them not raising interest rates and suggesting lowering rates possibly this upcoming year,,,,,, good for folks/companies borrowing money/paying debt
Buying land usually means borrowing money,,,,,
Crypto is up because of potential ETF as well as bitcoin halving sometime in the spring.April???maybe March???
The VIX is at 12 ish,,,,,very low
VIX had an eleven handle a few days ago. Scary !! Ok...what is Vix and what does it being so low indicate?
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/14/23 10:51 PM
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stocks at all time high along with the debt and consumer prices for goods families need...$20 for a steak.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/15/23 02:13 AM
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Ok...what is Vix and what does it being so low indicate?
The VIX is a financial indicator = mathematical formula that measures price stability over a period of time. It's a past performance indicator used to predict future market trends. Price stability = confidence in the market = level of stress/fear in the market. It's been some time since school so may not have the numbers quite right; numbers under 20 indicates stability in the market = positive/good feelings. Numbers above 40? indicate instability in the markets = uncertainly/stressed feelings. Of note, the markets are driven today by perception of current events on market price movements. And as the markets move, in general, sectors and individual stock prices move.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/15/23 02:36 PM
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Ok...what is Vix and what does it being so low indicate?
The VIX is a financial indicator = mathematical formula that measures price stability over a period of time. It's a past performance indicator used to predict future market trends. Price stability = confidence in the market = level of stress/fear in the market. It's been some time since school so may not have the numbers quite right; numbers under 20 indicates stability in the market = positive/good feelings. Numbers above 40? indicate instability in the markets = uncertainly/stressed feelings. Of note, the markets are driven today by perception of current events on market price movements. And as the markets move, in general, sectors and individual stock prices move. I am not sure what Scott means by "price stability" but I THINK he is referring to STOCK price stability rather than the prices of goods & services. I would differ a little bit from that explanation. VIX is a calculation of the EXPECTED volatility for the next 30 days. As Scott rightly points out it is a complex calculation that you really don't need to do yourself. But that calculation is based on the prices of out-of-the-money put and call options on the S&P 500 index for the upcoming 16 & 44 day periods. If the demand (from investors or speculators) for protection or hedging is low....then that will result in a lower value on the VIX calculation. VIX is calculated constantly in real time and most everyone can see it on their broker's platform. Generally, it gives an idea of how anxious or complacent traders are about the market actions over the next month. It can also give you an idea about how expensive or cheap the market may be at the moment. It is often used as a contrary indicator. Low readings, such as now, may indicate a market top or close to it........but that condition can go on a long time without disruption. There are a couple of 'old sayings' that often are applicable. " When the VIX is high, it's time to buy" This is usually the case if the market is selling off or "crashing". " When the VIX is low, it's time to go"..............meaning it's time to sell and take profits before the market tumbles. So.......what is "HIGH" and what is "LOW" ? That depends a lot on what is causing the market to do what it's doing and the magnitude of the move OVER TIME. Time is a critical part of volatility. BUT............the lowest I have ever seen was 10. something and the highest was in the 60's that I can recall. When the market goes up, VIX will usually go down and vice versa Angela, I know this stuff is not interesting at all to most people but, considering your interest in this subject, I have run my mouth a lot here. Here is a good book on the subject of volatility and how it impacts pricing https://www.amazon.com/Option-Volatility-Pricing-Strategies-Techniques/dp/0071818774 And here is a discussion of VIX on the CBOE website. CBOE created and owns VIX https://www.cboe.com/tradable_products/vix/
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/15/23 05:36 PM
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I predict 2024 will be an economic boom year. Got to insure Democrat victory in November. Unfortunately I think you are correct. I was hoping for a major collapse with the amounts I have been putting in and plan to put in.. currently about 25% of my income.
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/15/23 10:16 PM
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The VIX is a financial indicator = mathematical formula that measures price stability over a period of time. It's a past performance indicator used to predict future market trends. Price stability = confidence in the market = level of stress/fear in the market. It's been some time since school so may not have the numbers quite right; numbers under 20 indicates stability in the market = positive/good feelings. Numbers above 40? indicate instability in the markets = uncertainly/stressed feelings.
Of note, the markets are driven today by perception of current events on market price movements. And as the markets move, in general, sectors and individual stock prices move.
I am not sure what Scott means by "price stability" but I THINK he is referring to STOCK price stability rather than the prices of goods & services. I would differ a little bit from that explanation. VIX is a calculation of the EXPECTED volatility for the next 30 days. As Scott rightly points out it is a complex calculation that you really don't need to do yourself. But that calculation is based on the prices of out-of-the-money put and call options on the S&P 500 index for the upcoming 16 & 44 day periods. If the demand (from investors or speculators) for protection or hedging is low....then that will result in a lower value on the VIX calculation. VIX is calculated constantly in real time and most everyone can see it on their broker's platform. Generally, it gives an idea of how anxious or complacent traders are about the market actions over the next month. It can also give you an idea about how expensive or cheap the market may be at the moment. It is often used as a contrary indicator. Low readings, such as now, may indicate a market top or close to it........but that condition can go on a long time without disruption. There are a couple of 'old sayings' that often are applicable. " When the VIX is high, it's time to buy" This is usually the case if the market is selling off or "crashing". " When the VIX is low, it's time to go"..............meaning it's time to sell and take profits before the market tumbles. So.......what is "HIGH" and what is "LOW" ? That depends a lot on what is causing the market to do what it's doing and the magnitude of the move OVER TIME. Time is a critical part of volatility. BUT............the lowest I have ever seen was 10. something and the highest was in the 60's that I can recall. When the market goes up, VIX will usually go down and vice versa Angela, I know this stuff is not interesting at all to most people but, considering your interest in this subject, I have run my mouth a lot here. Here is a good book on the subject of volatility and how it impacts pricing https://www.amazon.com/Option-Volatility-Pricing-Strategies-Techniques/dp/0071818774 And here is a discussion of VIX on the CBOE website. CBOE created and owns VIX https://www.cboe.com/tradable_products/vix/ Thank you for explaining it so that anyone can understand. I'll check out the links you posted. So, I think I'm understanding right when I surmise that your saying it being that low is very scary is due to the fact that you believe it may precipitate a crash or at least strong downturn of the market? Oh, and I bet a lot more people appreciate reading your thoughts on these topics than you realize!
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/16/23 01:44 AM
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Good to see a nice rise in the stock market. Opens up some options for planning.
lBryce I guess I invested in the wrong stuff. A couple of years ago I took 5K out of my savings and put into the stock market as I hated seeing my money in savings lose value. I'm still a negative in the market for what I put in. Looking back, would have been better to invest that 5K in more equipment IMO.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/16/23 01:50 AM
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Good to see a nice rise in the stock market. Opens up some options for planning.
lBryce I guess I invested in the wrong stuff. A couple of years ago I took 5K out of my savings and put into the stock market as I hated seeing my money in savings lose value. I'm still a negative in the market for what I put in. Looking back, would have been better to invest that 5K in more equipment IMO. Did you pick your own stocks? I picked a few of my own and most of them are currently negative. But I also took the advice of some random tman alaskan and one of the ones he recommended has earned enough to make up for my choices. The stock market will QUICKLY make you know you ain't near as smart as you think you are, lol.
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/16/23 04:16 AM
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I only invest in mutual funds.
My stock-picking ability is non-existent. The only two stocks I ever bought--tech stocks on hot tips from my brother--went to zero value in a tech bust and never recovered.
Picking stocks is for speculators or people who have a lot more time and interest in researching stocks and markets than I do.
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