Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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Stocks are overvalued right now. Buffett knows this hence the sale. Bidenomics hasn't just gone away lol
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/14/23 02:40 PM
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Fuel prices(energy) are down cuz the US is recently back too recorded production,,,,, had Biden kept going with trumps plan instead of trying too appease the green crowd. Fuel prices would of never risen and we wouldn’t of had so much pain,,,,,
Election year coming up,,,,,
The pop yesterday was from them not raising interest rates and suggesting lowering rates possibly this upcoming year,,,,,, good for folks/companies borrowing money/paying debt
Buying land usually means borrowing money,,,,,
Crypto is up because of potential ETF as well as bitcoin halving sometime in the spring.April???maybe March???
The VIX is at 12 ish,,,,,very low
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/14/23 02:43 PM
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Some will say the market is up due to Bidenomics.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Yes they will say that,,,,,,
Markets are currently also benefiting from trumps tax cuts,,,,which expire in ‘25
Not sure how that’s going to play out,,,,,
But in the meantime,,,
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/14/23 02:57 PM
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The bottom could still fall out of it before 5:00 o'clock.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/14/23 03:07 PM
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Fuel prices(energy) are down cuz the US is recently back too recorded production,,,,, had Biden kept going with trumps plan instead of trying too appease the green crowd. Fuel prices would of never risen and we wouldn’t of had so much pain,,,,,
Election year coming up,,,,,
The pop yesterday was from them not raising interest rates and suggesting lowering rates possibly this upcoming year,,,,,, good for folks/companies borrowing money/paying debt
Buying land usually means borrowing money,,,,,
Crypto is up because of potential ETF as well as bitcoin halving sometime in the spring.April???maybe March???
The VIX is at 12 ish,,,,,very low
VIX had an eleven handle a few days ago. Scary !!
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/14/23 03:53 PM
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Land prices seem to be holding or continuing to accelerate here. I'm not sure what effect stock surges may have on that, any insight? Lower rates will have a positive impact on real estate market Thank you for the insight!
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/14/23 04:58 PM
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The markets need to dip and gas needs to go up next year people have short memories four more years of this clown show and things will be in the drain.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/14/23 05:13 PM
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In the SP 500...7 stocks(Alphabet (GOOGL), Amazon.com (AMZN), Apple (AAPL), Meta Platforms (META), Microsoft (MSFT), Nvidia (NVDA) and Tesla (TSLA) )make up roughly 30% of the value and almost 100% of this years returns . Cant say thats good.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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According to NewsMax this morning, the fed not raising interest rates had a lot to do with it.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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According to NewsMax this morning, the fed not raising interest rates had a lot to do with it. They're predicting not raising, not saying it won't raise . I doubt their prediction is correct, it never is.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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it's nothing but a casino now, doesn't reflect reality. Next crash will make that '09 crash look like child's play, I wonder who we can borrow money from then to bail out our billionaires?
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Fuel prices(energy) are down cuz the US is recently back too recorded production,,,,, had Biden kept going with trumps plan instead of trying too appease the green crowd. Fuel prices would of never risen and we wouldn’t of had so much pain,,,,,
Election year coming up,,,,,
The pop yesterday was from them not raising interest rates and suggesting lowering rates possibly this upcoming year,,,,,, good for folks/companies borrowing money/paying debt
Buying land usually means borrowing money,,,,,
Crypto is up because of potential ETF as well as bitcoin halving sometime in the spring.April???maybe March???
The VIX is at 12 ish,,,,,very low
VIX had an eleven handle a few days ago. Scary !! Ok...what is Vix and what does it being so low indicate?
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Re: Market is at a record high
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stocks at all time high along with the debt and consumer prices for goods families need...$20 for a steak.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Ok...what is Vix and what does it being so low indicate?
The VIX is a financial indicator = mathematical formula that measures price stability over a period of time. It's a past performance indicator used to predict future market trends. Price stability = confidence in the market = level of stress/fear in the market. It's been some time since school so may not have the numbers quite right; numbers under 20 indicates stability in the market = positive/good feelings. Numbers above 40? indicate instability in the markets = uncertainly/stressed feelings. Of note, the markets are driven today by perception of current events on market price movements. And as the markets move, in general, sectors and individual stock prices move.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Ok...what is Vix and what does it being so low indicate?
The VIX is a financial indicator = mathematical formula that measures price stability over a period of time. It's a past performance indicator used to predict future market trends. Price stability = confidence in the market = level of stress/fear in the market. It's been some time since school so may not have the numbers quite right; numbers under 20 indicates stability in the market = positive/good feelings. Numbers above 40? indicate instability in the markets = uncertainly/stressed feelings. Of note, the markets are driven today by perception of current events on market price movements. And as the markets move, in general, sectors and individual stock prices move. I am not sure what Scott means by "price stability" but I THINK he is referring to STOCK price stability rather than the prices of goods & services. I would differ a little bit from that explanation. VIX is a calculation of the EXPECTED volatility for the next 30 days. As Scott rightly points out it is a complex calculation that you really don't need to do yourself. But that calculation is based on the prices of out-of-the-money put and call options on the S&P 500 index for the upcoming 16 & 44 day periods. If the demand (from investors or speculators) for protection or hedging is low....then that will result in a lower value on the VIX calculation. VIX is calculated constantly in real time and most everyone can see it on their broker's platform. Generally, it gives an idea of how anxious or complacent traders are about the market actions over the next month. It can also give you an idea about how expensive or cheap the market may be at the moment. It is often used as a contrary indicator. Low readings, such as now, may indicate a market top or close to it........but that condition can go on a long time without disruption. There are a couple of 'old sayings' that often are applicable. " When the VIX is high, it's time to buy" This is usually the case if the market is selling off or "crashing". " When the VIX is low, it's time to go"..............meaning it's time to sell and take profits before the market tumbles. So.......what is "HIGH" and what is "LOW" ? That depends a lot on what is causing the market to do what it's doing and the magnitude of the move OVER TIME. Time is a critical part of volatility. BUT............the lowest I have ever seen was 10. something and the highest was in the 60's that I can recall. When the market goes up, VIX will usually go down and vice versa Angela, I know this stuff is not interesting at all to most people but, considering your interest in this subject, I have run my mouth a lot here. Here is a good book on the subject of volatility and how it impacts pricing https://www.amazon.com/Option-Volatility-Pricing-Strategies-Techniques/dp/0071818774 And here is a discussion of VIX on the CBOE website. CBOE created and owns VIX https://www.cboe.com/tradable_products/vix/
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/15/23 05:36 PM
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I predict 2024 will be an economic boom year. Got to insure Democrat victory in November. Unfortunately I think you are correct. I was hoping for a major collapse with the amounts I have been putting in and plan to put in.. currently about 25% of my income.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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The VIX is a financial indicator = mathematical formula that measures price stability over a period of time. It's a past performance indicator used to predict future market trends. Price stability = confidence in the market = level of stress/fear in the market. It's been some time since school so may not have the numbers quite right; numbers under 20 indicates stability in the market = positive/good feelings. Numbers above 40? indicate instability in the markets = uncertainly/stressed feelings.
Of note, the markets are driven today by perception of current events on market price movements. And as the markets move, in general, sectors and individual stock prices move.
I am not sure what Scott means by "price stability" but I THINK he is referring to STOCK price stability rather than the prices of goods & services. I would differ a little bit from that explanation. VIX is a calculation of the EXPECTED volatility for the next 30 days. As Scott rightly points out it is a complex calculation that you really don't need to do yourself. But that calculation is based on the prices of out-of-the-money put and call options on the S&P 500 index for the upcoming 16 & 44 day periods. If the demand (from investors or speculators) for protection or hedging is low....then that will result in a lower value on the VIX calculation. VIX is calculated constantly in real time and most everyone can see it on their broker's platform. Generally, it gives an idea of how anxious or complacent traders are about the market actions over the next month. It can also give you an idea about how expensive or cheap the market may be at the moment. It is often used as a contrary indicator. Low readings, such as now, may indicate a market top or close to it........but that condition can go on a long time without disruption. There are a couple of 'old sayings' that often are applicable. " When the VIX is high, it's time to buy" This is usually the case if the market is selling off or "crashing". " When the VIX is low, it's time to go"..............meaning it's time to sell and take profits before the market tumbles. So.......what is "HIGH" and what is "LOW" ? That depends a lot on what is causing the market to do what it's doing and the magnitude of the move OVER TIME. Time is a critical part of volatility. BUT............the lowest I have ever seen was 10. something and the highest was in the 60's that I can recall. When the market goes up, VIX will usually go down and vice versa Angela, I know this stuff is not interesting at all to most people but, considering your interest in this subject, I have run my mouth a lot here. Here is a good book on the subject of volatility and how it impacts pricing https://www.amazon.com/Option-Volatility-Pricing-Strategies-Techniques/dp/0071818774 And here is a discussion of VIX on the CBOE website. CBOE created and owns VIX https://www.cboe.com/tradable_products/vix/ Thank you for explaining it so that anyone can understand. I'll check out the links you posted. So, I think I'm understanding right when I surmise that your saying it being that low is very scary is due to the fact that you believe it may precipitate a crash or at least strong downturn of the market? Oh, and I bet a lot more people appreciate reading your thoughts on these topics than you realize!
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Good to see a nice rise in the stock market. Opens up some options for planning.
lBryce I guess I invested in the wrong stuff. A couple of years ago I took 5K out of my savings and put into the stock market as I hated seeing my money in savings lose value. I'm still a negative in the market for what I put in. Looking back, would have been better to invest that 5K in more equipment IMO.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Good to see a nice rise in the stock market. Opens up some options for planning.
lBryce I guess I invested in the wrong stuff. A couple of years ago I took 5K out of my savings and put into the stock market as I hated seeing my money in savings lose value. I'm still a negative in the market for what I put in. Looking back, would have been better to invest that 5K in more equipment IMO. Did you pick your own stocks? I picked a few of my own and most of them are currently negative. But I also took the advice of some random tman alaskan and one of the ones he recommended has earned enough to make up for my choices. The stock market will QUICKLY make you know you ain't near as smart as you think you are, lol.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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I only invest in mutual funds.
My stock-picking ability is non-existent. The only two stocks I ever bought--tech stocks on hot tips from my brother--went to zero value in a tech bust and never recovered.
Picking stocks is for speculators or people who have a lot more time and interest in researching stocks and markets than I do.
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Re: Market is at a record high
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HA! Very true Yotetrapper. Yeah, I picked a lot of them myself, and sure made a fool out of me.
And YES! Thank goodness I took white17s recommendation and bought some SPY and QQQ, sure glad I did cause it is helping offset my other screwups!
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Yes, greatly appreciate w17’s posts
That’s good that you dipped your toe in yotetrapper
Keep adding
Be cautious,,,,,patience key.
If don’t make your money work for YOU,,,,,you’ll always be working for money
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Re: Market is at a record high
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I am not sure what Scott means by "price stability" but I THINK he is referring to STOCK price stability rather than the prices of goods & services. I would differ a little bit from that explanation. VIX is a calculation of the EXPECTED volatility for the next 30 days. As Scott rightly points out it is a complex calculation that you really don't need to do yourself. But that calculation is based on the prices of out-of-the-money put and call options on the S&P 500 index for the upcoming 16 & 44 day periods. If the demand (from investors or speculators) for protection or hedging is low....then that will result in a lower value on the VIX calculation. VIX is calculated constantly in real time and most everyone can see it on their broker's platform. Generally, it gives an idea of how anxious or complacent traders are about the market actions over the next month. It can also give you an idea about how expensive or cheap the market may be at the moment. It is often used as a contrary indicator. Low readings, such as now, may indicate a market top or close to it........but that condition can go on a long time without disruption. There are a couple of 'old sayings' that often are applicable. " When the VIX is high, it's time to buy" This is usually the case if the market is selling off or "crashing". " When the VIX is low, it's time to go"..............meaning it's time to sell and take profits before the market tumbles. So.......what is "HIGH" and what is "LOW" ? That depends a lot on what is causing the market to do what it's doing and the magnitude of the move OVER TIME. Time is a critical part of volatility. BUT............the lowest I have ever seen was 10. something and the highest was in the 60's that I can recall. When the market goes up, VIX will usually go down and vice versa Angela, I know this stuff is not interesting at all to most people but, considering your interest in this subject, I have run my mouth a lot here. Here is a good book on the subject of volatility and how it impacts pricing https://www.amazon.com/Option-Volatility-Pricing-Strategies-Techniques/dp/0071818774 And here is a discussion of VIX on the CBOE website. CBOE created and owns VIX https://www.cboe.com/tradable_products/vix/ Thank you for explaining it so that anyone can understand. I'll check out the links you posted. So, I think I'm understanding right when I surmise that your saying it being that low is very scary is due to the fact that you believe it may precipitate a crash or at least strong downturn of the market?Oh, and I bet a lot more people appreciate reading your thoughts on these topics than you realize! I don't believe the VIX itself can precipitate a crash but rather it is saying (at this low level) that the majority of investors, traders, speculators....believe that everything is "just right" in the financial world. That attitude is reflected in the low reading on VIX. It sends a message of a high degree of complacency in the market. If there are 4000 "experts" in the financial markets and 3980 of them think everything is "just right".........then I think there is a good chance that they are wrong.............and, history shows us that they likely ARE wrong. Consequently VIX is telling us that there is a very good "probability"............as opposed to possibility..........that some black swan event will occur to push volatility back up to more "normal" levels...........at least above 20 if not higher. After all, with two wars raging, a US election coming up, core inflation still above 4%, US Treasury refinancing 10 trillion dollars worth of debt, Congress incurring 2 trillion dollar deficits each year, two presidential candidates that almost no one wants, China on the verge of a great depression while wanting to invade Taiwan and control the world...............to say nothing of the Fed disappointing markets by NOT dropping rates when the market expects them............... What could go wrong...............OH yeah, and markets hitting all-time highs. Recall that in October of 1987 the markets lost 22% in one day !! If that happened today the Dow would drop 7500 points !! In one day !! The S&P500 is predicted to hit 4800 by this time next year. It was at 4800 in January of 2022. That isn't much growth to look forward to. Sort of reminds me of reading Goldilocks . Everything is "just right ". !
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Another gem of a post
Seems like everyone understands that this upcoming year is going too be very volatile,,,,
Wild swings make people money
What’s the play? Take profits,,,,short the q’s/spy?
Dig a hole,,,,jump in it?
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Agreed
Move stops up
Wanted too add:
Everyone should be using “stop losses”
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Re: Market is at a record high
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Thanks white. I understand what you're saying. When people first started explaining what the VIX was I was trying to figure out why a stable market has you worried but I see where you're coming from now. I honestly thought the market would fall before now, I don't see how it keeps climbing the way it is.
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No offence to all you experts and all your string theories, code words and abbreviations, But inflation is clearly driving the market. If you introduce trillions in capital an economy with low interest rates, it will go somewhere. The people with real vision bought land, which is now pretty much out of reach of 95% of the population, due to inflation. Which is in fact a tax on the average person. Others have tried tp protect their money from inflation by investing in stocks, hence more money in the market, the higher the market. I see this "high" market as a tell on a troubled economy. Basically, people just starting out and those who do not have money in the markets or land, which is a lot , are being left behind and we are creating a split society.
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Looking at the big picture, I don't like what I see. So much smoke and mirrors. Our country has such weak leadership these days. 33 trillion in debt and our taxes can't pay the interest on it. Countries say they will nuke us before the next election. I have gone to CD's to park my cash. They pay 5.4% APY FDIC insured to $250,000. insured by who?
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: Dirt]
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12/30/23 11:35 AM
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Providence Farm
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Somebody that lives NW of me predicted a market crash under Joe Biden. One year left. Unless, we are real unlucky. I predict a good year for the market and low fuel prices. Just my opinion based on nothing other than talk of lowering intrest rates and its an election year with the left in charge so they will want thing to appear going well. They know the average person has low iq and understanding with an even shorter memory. Late winter next year I wouldn't place any bets Now ther could be a major event to attempt to stroke patriotism and possibly post pone the election entertainment event. But those are my 2 theories. Doesn't matter what happens I will still max out my 401 and a roth and do the same next year if I have a job and the funds.
Last edited by Providence Farm; 12/30/23 11:48 AM.
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/30/23 11:42 AM
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Both the stock market and gold price have been surging to new highs. That doesn't make sense, they almost always move inversely to each other.
My guess is that those in-the-know are expecting more inflation.
"My life is better than your vacation"
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Re: Market is at a record high
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12/30/23 12:06 PM
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Mando
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Some will say the market is up due to Bidenomics. Many have no idea how the market works.
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: Providence Farm]
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12/30/23 12:09 PM
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Mando
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Somebody that lives NW of me predicted a market crash under Joe Biden. One year left. Unless, we are real unlucky. I predict a good year for the market and low fuel prices. Just my opinion based on nothing other than talk of lowering intrest rates and its an election year with the left in charge so they will want thing to appear going well. They know the average person has low iq and understanding with an even shorter memory. Late winter next year I wouldn't place any bets Now ther could be a major event to attempt to stroke patriotism and possibly post pone the election entertainment event. But those are my 2 theories. Doesn't matter what happens I will still max out my 401 and a roth and do the same next year if I have a job and the funds. X2
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/30/23 12:20 PM
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Yes, record high DJIA number but I'm still down from December 2021 as far highest portfolio goes.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: Providence Farm]
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12/30/23 01:38 PM
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There have always been those not trusting the stock markets since the great depression and before. So make other investments. Like said in land, maybe gold and silver, ect. And during that time Manny many more millionaires have been made investing in the stock market. Many I work with just in their basic 401 alone. It goes up and down but over time always up.
I have bought land and houses. May be buying moms condo before long. Everything I have bought had gone up in value greatly. My stock investments have also. My investments in ammo have probably had the best returns if I would sell some of it off.
Invest in what you are comfortable with. Make a budget stick to it and don't live beyond your means. It's simple yet so hard for many. Everything you bought has gone up in "price", If you did not add value, chance are the values are similar to when you bought it.
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/30/23 01:53 PM
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Dirt
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Now that interest rates have been normalized, things will get better. Well, maybe not for the Federal government.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/30/23 02:03 PM
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EVERYTHING has the same value that it has a!ways had in the past. ( except maybe buggy whips ) Everything takes more money to buy do to inflation. Inflation is nothing more than the devaluing of currency. Devaluing of currency is the highest form of taxation a government can bestow on it's people. Most stocks are inflated at this time in my opinion. What to do? Say in? Get out? Short it?
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: Diggerman]
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12/30/23 02:19 PM
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Providence Farm
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There have always been those not trusting the stock markets since the great depression and before. So make other investments. Like said in land, maybe gold and silver, ect. And during that time Manny many more millionaires have been made investing in the stock market. Many I work with just in their basic 401 alone. It goes up and down but over time always up.
I have bought land and houses. May be buying moms condo before long. Everything I have bought had gone up in value greatly. My stock investments have also. My investments in ammo have probably had the best returns if I would sell some of it off.
Invest in what you are comfortable with. Make a budget stick to it and don't live beyond your means. It's simple yet so hard for many. Everything you bought has gone up in "price", If you did not add value, chance are the values are similar to when you bought it. It's gone up in value simply becuse I have owned it due to my celebrity status on trapperman.com alone. Point is there are many things to invest in. Not all are able to be sold like education and skills. Some things my be an investment that saves you money reducing bills like say a solar electric sys t em or new windows and insulation. Others may rather start a business instead of buying stock Or gold. If you leave it in cash your going to loose out. If you don't budget and live below your means you won't have anything to worry about investing.
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Re: Market is at a record high
[Re: bblwi]
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12/30/23 02:44 PM
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Nancy is up 64% in 2023
She’s incredible,,,,,,,,lol
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