I wasnt aware you would be upset that I pointed out reinventing the wheel is how gun makers keep selling rifles.

I am building a .20 BR and I think it will be a really good long range coyote gun because it hardly has any drop out to 400 yards. Run the numbers on this 55 grain berger running 3600 fps.with a .354 BC. Way better than a 22-250. I ordered some Black Hole 52 grain bullets that have a higher BC than the bergers.

Pics are 20 BR next to .223

Yes Wollf Dog Odin works, selling barrels, and uppers. I got on there list early and got number 12, UPS, email I received being delivered Friday

As I said earlier, they already did the stumpy zippy rounds for the 22 caliber. and they are coming back around to them and eventually they will end up " again" at the super short mag nuts like my 223 WSSM only using faster twist barrels in them. The gripe I have with the grendel based rounds is that the case life is pretty dismal in the primer pocket department and after 2 to 3 reloads the primer pockets get pretty loose. When I can find some once fired 7.62x39 brass, I'll try to make some Grendel rounds out of that as it uses large primers and see if that improves matters in that respect. I don't feel the need to neck it down to 223 caliber as I have the WSSM for that if I want something really zippy. In that one I want to try and find some 40 grain cutting edge bullets and push them north of 4500ft/sec as they are longer for weight and have thus a half way decent bc , that could be a fun thing to try out.

There reinventing the wheel then there's adding more plus to the tire, self sealing and mud grips

Thanks ridgerunner , you tried those ELD's on game with this caliber yet ?

Neither of those climbers fit the role that the 6 arc or .22 ARC will for me or dad or many people

Wolfie, you shoot a 6.5 Grendel .....do you have the same issue with primer pocket loosening as I have ..... I only used Starline brass thus far and that could be it but usually Starline is of good quality. It would be interesting to see what reformed 7.72 x 39 brass with the large primer pockets does in that respect.

I know there some guys in Canada that love .20 be for coyote

Not that I've noticed, then again my Grendel is hanging up right now. Also I'll b honest dude to the state of reloading components I really don't want anything that's large rifle primed. Can find small rifle in a out 10 flavor no problem, haven't seen large rifle in sores isn years and finding it online is a pain. I'm about to drop a bit and get 2k of th we Serbian ones though, but I'm moving to small rifle primers

Good paper puncher, about it.

Wolfdog. I have seem cci larg rifle in the store and also on line. I prefer in the store and it was cheaper at 95, per 1000 cci 200s and no hazmat. I didn't buy any last time I saw them becuse I have 3k at home and I don't know how many k at my other house. Add in I mad a impulse buy on another youth gun and just didn't want to spent any more cash on something I didn't currently need.

That 6mm arc to me was reinventing the wheel. May as well shoot a 6mm ppc or beat them both with a 243 in velocity. But the arc and ppc are crazy accurate rounds and easy to make shoot. For those that like the AR platform I think the 6mm arc may be the best round available for it within my spectrum of intrest and used for a rifle. But I'm not a big fan of the AR platform and like single shots and bolt guns better. Also brass is not as easy to find and hunting it when shot from a semi auto would not be fun. I alway loose some from my AR's. If I were actually shooting and loading it looks like a fun round to play with. I was close to having a custom 6mm ppc built 15 years ago. But something more important came up for that cash.

So as I said these cartridge shine in some places current legacy cartridge don't.
Main thing is they can go in and AR15 big emphasis on the 15! NOT THE 10 most of the legacy cartridge is competing again have to go in a 10 .25-06-.22 creed, .270, 308 ect
Smaller package =less powder so just come sense cheaper to load honestly look really hard if I wan to keep my .243 just due to cost of reloading in powder vs the arc.
Small primer brass , you can actually find small rifle primers without much fuss
A lot of the ammo is getting worked over so it works better and getting the most out of a 16-18" barrel back to the smaller package, most legacy cartridges are what 20-26" ?
It's using a 6.5 parent cases that's based off of .220 Russian with is arguably on if these most efficient cartridges in existence.
Also it's not supposed to be some long range big game elk cartridge or something, that's not it's place long range varmints, longer range mid size game and just better closer range performance in general is it's game.

The list goes on but hers the deal. I your they type of person who guess custom whatever built likes long actions , longer guns and hand loads ,it's not really for you , it's just not. But if you joe blow who might just wanna be able to order a barrel do a swap on your cheap PSA are whatever and have basically a .243 or 6.5x55 sweede performance out of small frame AR and get really good factory ammo well there you go.

I sorry but the price of brass by its self if enough reason for me NOT to go with the PPC



Also let's talk about factory ammo , going back to just joe blow who wants that better performance in a smaller package.
I found one offering for factory 6ppc

Meanwhile 6arc


As far as bolt guns there's already options . I know there been a lot of people just barreling anything with a 6.5 Grendel bold face so that's what, the howa mini, Ruger American, some savages remage builds. So that goes back to the cost effectiveness. Heck you don't even need a gunsmith to do most of those .

But as I said , this cartridge is filling a certain need for a certain group of people, which honestly is growing more and more

Honestly I think it would be awesome to have one built on one of the mini cz actions. I'm not one that thinks I need a 300 win mag for deer when a 243 does just fine. Yet I Honestly do not like. 223 or 5.56 for much of anything. Yes I have shot over 35 coyotes with an AR in .223 with blitz kings or v max and I have killed a few deer with one also along with coonand other pest. But for me it's just not a good round for anything bigger than a coyote and at that inside 115 yards. I prefer the results from bigger rounds like 243 ect. So I if I were starting over I would be much more interested in a useful to me round( coyotes to deer) over a 223.

But I also don't like the ar platform. It's hard to supress well, gets extra gas in the face when it is and just doesn't handle like a real gun should to me. I have a few and they are not going anywhere but are my last choice and seldom get used. Probably been 12 years or more since my .556 AR had been shot.

I also don't need yet another caliber to keep stocked up on. (Yet I was just eyeballing some 28g over and unders yesterday) yep another round I don't have or want to stock.. but I have noticed they always catch my eye lately. And the price on the cz was low enough I would have bought it if it fit me. But I couldn't get a counter guy help me so I left without it.

Weather others like it or not doesn't matter . If it fills your needs is what matters. It should be very accurate , easy to make good loads for and have a major improvement in an AR platform over the 223/5.56.

Just buy the Lapua brass. And stop whining!!! LOL!!!

Not eveyone can make that high dollar Texas coyote bounty money

I’ll like end up buying one of the ARCs at some point. I like the AR15 platform for night work but am not huge fan of the 223. No plans to go ar10 route so this will likely be along lines of getting me back to 22-250/220 swift or 243 performance

Lets be realistic for a moment here. The small case capacity of the 6 ARC or the Grendel in 6 or 6.5 mm is not going to get you the performance of the 243 or Swede. or 22-250 .. not even close. They are just to small to develop that kind of horsepower. If you really want to go that route, the WSSM line is the only way to get there .... 223 WSSM ..243 WSSM and 25 WSSM and yes they will fir into a AR 15 magazine and you can get barrels for the AR15 platform for them. But be warned, finding brass for them is not always easy.
I shoot the 223 WSSM out of a little Browning A bolt and its up there with the 22 Swift button a rifle that is a real lightweight with that small of an action.

can't for the life of me figure out how a 55 gr. Berger at 3600 is way better that a 55 gr. berger at 3540, care to explain?