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6mm ARC #8026205
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Who's running one and what are you loading ? Told Dad to look into it and he's really really liking it ,th .22 ARC and the 6.5 Grendel . ... especially when he found out "Hay my sone and load all these from the same brass "
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Though about = 22 Nosler on AR 15 platform. How does it compare to 22 ARC??

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I think its like bikini models. Some years they think that stick insects are good looking and then the pendulum swings back so the more womanly type ...... I'll just stick to the 223 WSSM and wait till it is back in fashion .... the dumpy little thing. The ark has a ways to go yet to get back to the sort and fat of WSSM look grin


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Re: 6mm ARC [Re: steeltraps] #8026243
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Though about = 22 Nosler on AR 15 platform. How does it compare to 22 ARC??

Long story really short if you ever wanted to have something that acts like a custom barreled 22-250 in the fact you get high speed but also can shoot the heavy .22cal stuff ,but you don't want to mess with an AR10 or getting a .22-250 with a custom barrel you can just go with the .22 ARC.
And before anyone says it yes it's basically just the .22 Grendel /.22 coyote / whatever else it was before hornady took it and Sammi speced it. I think they did something with the shoulder. Looks like it's going to kill the .224 Valkyrie honestly. And Hornady is saying they have a new bullet worked up for it. Not a load but a bullet that apparently just plain won't work in most other .22 cals.
But yeah basically just a 6.5 Grendel necked to .22 cal . Acts like a custom .22-250 that someone built for shooting HEAVY .22cals without having to go get fancy hand loaded ammo yadda yadda .
The .224 AR is basically the same thing
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Re: 6mm ARC [Re: Wolfdog91] #8026247
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And look if you like your .22-250 rem 700 whatever (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) 50gr what have you ,fine great awsome, this isn't for you.


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Own 6mm ARC, shooting 103 gr Hornady ELD X with Varget powder, excellent shooting rifle. Waiting for UPS, Friday to deliver 18'', Odin 22 ARC barrel, gas block, BCG, and rifle gas line, plus 200 pcs., of 6.5 Grendal brass. Plan on shooting Varget powder, and 75 gr Hornady bullets. Soon as I get this one built , mounting my Pulsar Thermion 2 LRF XP 50, for night hunting. Still have my 22 250,which is a favorite rifle, that I have shot for many years. I shot 55 gr v max, and H 380, that has performed excellentin my rifle. 2 staging the grendal brass down for the 22 ARC, using 6 ARC, then setting the shoulder with 22 ARC die ( 6.5 Grendal bolt face)

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Re: 6mm ARC [Re: Wolfdog91] #8026305
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I’ve been wondering the same Wolf??? My nephew bought one in a Ruger American I think and asked if I’d put some test loads together for him. I haven’t bought dies or brass yet. I guess I’ll put that on my winter to do list.

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Ok. With 22 ARC or 6 ARC. Like the Grendel in AR 15. You have to change bolt carrier. With 22 Nosler you don’t. I think. 22 Nosler is what I may build a. Dedicated thermal rifle on AR 15 platform

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I like how Hornady neuters their loads for non-proprietary calibers they load in order to make theirs look better. 224 Valkyrie is a good example. Same bullet weight from other manufacturers in 224Valk will walk all over the Hornady load. Oh, but wait, we have a NEW 22 caliber for you. They're the Apple of the ammo world. I'll pass on anything they try to sell simply because there are other options already available that do the same thing.


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Originally Posted by sneaky
I like how Hornady neuters their loads for non-proprietary calibers they load in order to make theirs look better. 224 Valkyrie is a good example. Same bullet weight from other manufacturers in 224Valk will walk all over the Hornady load. Oh, but wait, we have a NEW 22 caliber for you. They're the Apple of the ammo world. I'll pass on anything they try to sell simply because there are other options already available that do the same thing.

Didn't most of the companies who tried the Valkyrie mess it up though ? From my understanding most rifles had the wrong twist rates for the ammo they where producing and the federal ammo that was goin out was complete crap


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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Ok. With 22 ARC or 6 ARC. Like the Grendel in AR 15. You have to change bolt carrier. With 22 Nosler you don’t. I think. 22 Nosler is what I may build a. Dedicated thermal rifle on AR 15 platform

I thing think I could go with the nosler honestly, the rebated rim seems to have given peoel a lot of problems.


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Originally Posted by 1cav
Own 6mm ARC, shooting 103 gr Hornady ELD X with Varget powder, excellent shooting rifle. Waiting for UPS, Friday to deliver 18'', Odin 22 ARC barrel, gas block, BCG, and rifle gas line, plus 200 pcs., of 6.5 Grendal brass. Plan on shooting Varget powder, and 75 gr Hornady bullets. Soon as I get this one built , mounting my Pulsar Thermion 2 LRF XP 50, for night hunting. Still have my 22 250,which is a favorite rifle, that I have shot for many years. I shot 55 gr v max, and H 380, that has performed excellentin my rifle. 2 staging the grendal brass down for the 22 ARC, using 6 ARC, then setting the shoulder with 22 ARC die ( 6.5 Grendal bolt face)

Awesome rha ks for the info and wait they already have .22 ARC barrel out ?!


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OK so you got me. I looked up the numbers. More reinventing the wheel. IMO


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I bought a 25-06 a few months ago as a favor to a friend of my wife. Got in a tight spot financially. Honestly I paid to much. Could have bought the same rifle cheaper easily if I wanted one but, when your wife says buy this gun its not good to argue. Not ten cents difference in it and my 270. Same hold at 400 yards 200 and 100. Both sighted in at 300. Shooting 117 grainers in the 25 and 130 in the 270. As for the 6mmARC I have a 243 which looking at the numbers has a significantly greater velocity. Velocity is king. Velocity is why I shoot 300 win mag when I want a heavier bullet.

Someday somebody will make a real improvement in a rifle. Hasn't happened in a while. Accuracy is more consistent now. Even cheap rifles usually shoot decent, but no significant performance increase has occurred in quite awhile IMO.


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due to the availability of better high BC bullets hornady basicly just took a 6mm PPC and gave it a fast twist. my 6 ARC shoots well, running 103 ELDX, or 108 ELDM in front of a max charge of Lever, runs them 2650- 2700 fps.
this is shots 8,9&10 during break in with factory loads
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have shot steel to 1100 yards with good results. Awesome cartridge for thee AR15 platform.

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Danny is right. Not that the new calibers aren't slight improvements over old ones due to barrel twist rates, but, hey, marketing needs something new to sell.

Anyone here ever of the Remington .22BR? Decades ago. And the Norma 6mmBR was the Rem 6mmBR, slightly changed and commercialized. Remington never filed it with SAMMI.

Where do you think some of these ideas for new calibers come from???

Just more toys to play with.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
As for the 6mmARC I have a 243 which looking at the numbers has a significantly greater velocity. Velocity is king. Velocity is why I shoot 300 win mag when I want a heavier bullet.

Someday somebody will make a real improvement in a rifle. Hasn't happened in a while. Accuracy is more consistent now. Even cheap rifles usually shoot decent, but no significant performance increase has occurred in quite awhile IMO.


Just so you know, in the world of long range shooting BC outruns velocity every time. If you don't believe me, crunch some numbers on your 243 with an 85 gr sierra vs. a Berger 105 and see what the results are at 600 yards and beyond.

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If I want to take a 600 shot at an elk I will shoot the win mag.


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TIPPED TSX 180 grains 30 cal has a bc of 484.


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If I want to take a 600 shot at an elk I will shoot the win mag.

wasn't aware the thread was about elk rifles, would have mentioned my 338 Edge, running a 300 gr berger at 2800 fps with a BC of .836

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I wasnt aware you would be upset that I pointed out reinventing the wheel is how gun makers keep selling rifles.


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I am building a .20 BR and I think it will be a really good long range coyote gun because it hardly has any drop out to 400 yards. Run the numbers on this 55 grain berger running 3600 fps.with a .354 BC. Way better than a 22-250. I ordered some Black Hole 52 grain bullets that have a higher BC than the bergers.

Pics are 20 BR next to .223
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Yes Wollf Dog Odin works, selling barrels, and uppers. I got on there list early and got number 12, UPS, email I received being delivered Friday

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As I said earlier, they already did the stumpy zippy rounds for the 22 caliber. and they are coming back around to them and eventually they will end up " again" at the super short mag nuts like my 223 WSSM only using faster twist barrels in them. The gripe I have with the grendel based rounds is that the case life is pretty dismal in the primer pocket department and after 2 to 3 reloads the primer pockets get pretty loose. When I can find some once fired 7.62x39 brass, I'll try to make some Grendel rounds out of that as it uses large primers and see if that improves matters in that respect. I don't feel the need to neck it down to 223 caliber as I have the WSSM for that if I want something really zippy. In that one I want to try and find some 40 grain cutting edge bullets and push them north of 4500ft/sec as they are longer for weight and have thus a half way decent bc , that could be a fun thing to try out.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
OK so you got me. I looked up the numbers. More reinventing the wheel. IMO

There reinventing the wheel then there's adding more plus to the tire, self sealing and mud grips


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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
due to the availability of better high BC bullets hornady basicly just took a 6mm PPC and gave it a fast twist. my 6 ARC shoots well, running 103 ELDX, or 108 ELDM in front of a max charge of Lever, runs them 2650- 2700 fps.
this is shots 8,9&10 during break in with factory loads
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have shot steel to 1100 yards with good results. Awesome cartridge for thee AR15 platform.

Thanks ridgerunner , you tried those ELD's on game with this caliber yet ?


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I bought a 25-06 a few months ago as a favor to a friend of my wife. Got in a tight spot financially. Honestly I paid to much. Could have bought the same rifle cheaper easily if I wanted one but, when your wife says buy this gun its not good to argue. Not ten cents difference in it and my 270. Same hold at 400 yards 200 and 100. Both sighted in at 300. Shooting 117 grainers in the 25 and 130 in the 270. As for the 6mmARC I have a 243 which looking at the numbers has a significantly greater velocity. Velocity is king. Velocity is why I shoot 300 win mag when I want a heavier bullet.

Someday somebody will make a real improvement in a rifle. Hasn't happened in a while. Accuracy is more consistent now. Even cheap rifles usually shoot decent, but no significant performance increase has occurred in quite awhile IMO.


Neither of those climbers fit the role that the 6 arc or .22 ARC will for me or dad or many people


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Wolfie, you shoot a 6.5 Grendel .....do you have the same issue with primer pocket loosening as I have ..... I only used Starline brass thus far and that could be it but usually Starline is of good quality. It would be interesting to see what reformed 7.72 x 39 brass with the large primer pockets does in that respect.


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Originally Posted by Flipper 56
I am building a .20 BR and I think it will be a really good long range coyote gun because it hardly has any drop out to 400 yards. Run the numbers on this 55 grain berger running 3600 fps.with a .354 BC. Way better than a 22-250. I ordered some Black Hole 52 grain bullets that have a higher BC than the bergers.

Pics are 20 BR next to .223
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I know there some guys in Canada that love .20 be for coyote


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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Wolfie, you shoot a 6.5 Grendel .....do you have the same issue with primer pocket loosening as I have ..... I only used Starline brass thus far and that could be it but usually Starline is of good quality. It would be interesting to see what reformed 7.72 x 39 brass with the large primer pockets does in that respect.


Not that I've noticed, then again my Grendel is hanging up right now. Also I'll b honest dude to the state of reloading components I really don't want anything that's large rifle primed. Can find small rifle in a out 10 flavor no problem, haven't seen large rifle in sores isn years and finding it online is a pain. I'm about to drop a bit and get 2k of th we Serbian ones though, but I'm moving to small rifle primers


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Wolfdog. I have seem cci larg rifle in the store and also on line. I prefer in the store and it was cheaper at 95, per 1000 cci 200s and no hazmat. I didn't buy any last time I saw them becuse I have 3k at home and I don't know how many k at my other house. Add in I mad a impulse buy on another youth gun and just didn't want to spent any more cash on something I didn't currently need.

That 6mm arc to me was reinventing the wheel. May as well shoot a 6mm ppc or beat them both with a 243 in velocity. But the arc and ppc are crazy accurate rounds and easy to make shoot. For those that like the AR platform I think the 6mm arc may be the best round available for it within my spectrum of intrest and used for a rifle. But I'm not a big fan of the AR platform and like single shots and bolt guns better. Also brass is not as easy to find and hunting it when shot from a semi auto would not be fun. I alway loose some from my AR's. If I were actually shooting and loading it looks like a fun round to play with. I was close to having a custom 6mm ppc built 15 years ago. But something more important came up for that cash.

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So as I said these cartridge shine in some places current legacy cartridge don't.
Main thing is they can go in and AR15 big emphasis on the 15! NOT THE 10 most of the legacy cartridge is competing again have to go in a 10 .25-06-.22 creed, .270, 308 ect
Smaller package =less powder so just come sense cheaper to load honestly look really hard if I wan to keep my .243 just due to cost of reloading in powder vs the arc.
Small primer brass , you can actually find small rifle primers without much fuss
A lot of the ammo is getting worked over so it works better and getting the most out of a 16-18" barrel back to the smaller package, most legacy cartridges are what 20-26" ?
It's using a 6.5 parent cases that's based off of .220 Russian with is arguably on if these most efficient cartridges in existence.
Also it's not supposed to be some long range big game elk cartridge or something, that's not it's place long range varmints, longer range mid size game and just better closer range performance in general is it's game.

The list goes on but hers the deal. I your they type of person who guess custom whatever built likes long actions , longer guns and hand loads ,it's not really for you , it's just not. But if you joe blow who might just wanna be able to order a barrel do a swap on your cheap PSA are whatever and have basically a .243 or 6.5x55 sweede performance out of small frame AR and get really good factory ammo well there you go.


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Wolfdog. I have seem cci larg rifle in the store and also on line. I prefer in the store and it was cheaper at 95, per 1000 cci 200s and no hazmat. I didn't buy any last time I saw them becuse I have 3k at home and I don't know how many k at my other house. Add in I mad a impulse buy on another youth gun and just didn't want to spent any more cash on something I didn't currently need.

That 6mm arc to me was reinventing the wheel. May as well shoot a 6mm ppc or beat them both with a 243 in velocity. But the arc and ppc are crazy accurate rounds and easy to make shoot. For those that like the AR platform I think the 6mm arc may be the best round available for it within my spectrum of intrest and used for a rifle. But I'm not a big fan of the AR platform and like single shots and bolt guns better. Also brass is not as easy to find and hunting it when shot from a semi auto would not be fun. I alway loose some from my AR's. If I were actually shooting and loading it looks like a fun round to play with. I was close to having a custom 6mm ppc built 15 years ago. But something more important came up for that cash.


I sorry but the price of brass by its self if enough reason for me NOT to go with the PPC
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Also let's talk about factory ammo , going back to just joe blow who wants that better performance in a smaller package.
I found one offering for factory 6ppc
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Meanwhile 6arc
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As far as bolt guns there's already options . I know there been a lot of people just barreling anything with a 6.5 Grendel bold face so that's what, the howa mini, Ruger American, some savages remage builds. So that goes back to the cost effectiveness. Heck you don't even need a gunsmith to do most of those .

But as I said , this cartridge is filling a certain need for a certain group of people, which honestly is growing more and more


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Honestly I think it would be awesome to have one built on one of the mini cz actions. I'm not one that thinks I need a 300 win mag for deer when a 243 does just fine. Yet I Honestly do not like. 223 or 5.56 for much of anything. Yes I have shot over 35 coyotes with an AR in .223 with blitz kings or v max and I have killed a few deer with one also along with coonand other pest. But for me it's just not a good round for anything bigger than a coyote and at that inside 115 yards. I prefer the results from bigger rounds like 243 ect. So I if I were starting over I would be much more interested in a useful to me round( coyotes to deer) over a 223.

But I also don't like the ar platform. It's hard to supress well, gets extra gas in the face when it is and just doesn't handle like a real gun should to me. I have a few and they are not going anywhere but are my last choice and seldom get used. Probably been 12 years or more since my .556 AR had been shot.

I also don't need yet another caliber to keep stocked up on. (Yet I was just eyeballing some 28g over and unders yesterday) yep another round I don't have or want to stock.. but I have noticed they always catch my eye lately. And the price on the cz was low enough I would have bought it if it fit me. But I couldn't get a counter guy help me so I left without it.

Weather others like it or not doesn't matter . If it fills your needs is what matters. It should be very accurate , easy to make good loads for and have a major improvement in an AR platform over the 223/5.56.

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Just buy the Lapua brass. And stop whining!!! LOL!!!

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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Just buy the Lapua brass. And stop whining!!! LOL!!!

Not eveyone can make that high dollar Texas coyote bounty money laugh


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I’ll like end up buying one of the ARCs at some point. I like the AR15 platform for night work but am not huge fan of the 223. No plans to go ar10 route so this will likely be along lines of getting me back to 22-250/220 swift or 243 performance

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Lets be realistic for a moment here. The small case capacity of the 6 ARC or the Grendel in 6 or 6.5 mm is not going to get you the performance of the 243 or Swede. or 22-250 .. not even close. They are just to small to develop that kind of horsepower. If you really want to go that route, the WSSM line is the only way to get there .... 223 WSSM ..243 WSSM and 25 WSSM and yes they will fir into a AR 15 magazine and you can get barrels for the AR15 platform for them. But be warned, finding brass for them is not always easy.
I shoot the 223 WSSM out of a little Browning A bolt and its up there with the 22 Swift button a rifle that is a real lightweight with that small of an action.


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Originally Posted by Flipper 56
I am building a .20 BR and I think it will be a really good long range coyote gun because it hardly has any drop out to 400 yards. Run the numbers on this 55 grain berger running 3600 fps.with a .354 BC. Way better than a 22-250. I ordered some Black Hole 52 grain bullets that have a higher BC than the bergers.


can't for the life of me figure out how a 55 gr. Berger at 3600 is way better that a 55 gr. berger at 3540, care to explain?

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due to the availability of better high BC bullets hornady basicly just took a 6mm PPC and gave it a fast twist. my 6 ARC shoots well, running 103 ELDX, or 108 ELDM in front of a max charge of Lever, runs them 2650- 2700 fps.
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have shot steel to 1100 yards with good results. Awesome cartridge for thee AR15 platform.

Thanks ridgerunner , you tried those ELD's on game with this caliber yet ?

shot a doe at 300 with a 108 ELDM ran farther than I prefer but need more testing.

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I wasnt aware you would be upset that I pointed out reinventing the wheel is how gun makers keep selling rifles.

not upset in the slightest, do you have any idea how many folks I have had to point out that opinions about cartridges are not facts?

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Wolfie, you shoot a 6.5 Grendel .....do you have the same issue with primer pocket loosening as I have ..... I only used Starline brass thus far and that could be it but usually Starline is of good quality. It would be interesting to see what reformed 7.72 x 39 brass with the large primer pockets does in that respect.

scuba, my experience with starline brass is it sux! a load that hornady takes in stride will totaly ruin starline brass. ask me how I know.

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Maybe buying those 1000 starline cases in Grendel was not a good idea then lol

I will however try to find just a few 6.72 x 39 to re form because I am curious

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now got all the other posts responded to, so
I bought a 6 ARC because with the scarcity of powder and primers today, it is a way I can shoot 1K and not break the bank and use components that are available today, tomorrow it may change, but rest assured, I will shoot years after those 300 win mags burn the barrel up, if the owners really practice at 600 yards

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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Maybe buying those 1000 starline cases in Grendel was not a good idea then lol

I will however try to find just a few 6.72 x 39 to re form because I am curious

A book max load of 27.5 grr of lever behind a 103 ELD shot awesome in my 6 ARC, I loaded the same load in starline brass, after resizing the once fired brass I had this, on the left is hornady, on the right is starline, see the aalmost belt from resizing due to case head expansion
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Thank you for the pic Ridge runner. Ya see I had nothing to compare the ones I had to so for all I knew it could have been a case geometry specific thing with the primer pockets. But it seems to be the over all lack of material quality


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