I’d consider Clay Higgins an expert in the use of deadly force, given his military and LE background. His interview in the video I posted is very revealing to those not blinded by hatred.

Verbal abuse alone does not give a protective officer the right to use deadly force.
The murderer was not cornered, was not physically threatened, was not restricted in nor limited in means and options of retreat nor was he confronted by any weaponry.
Murder.

Osky

If would not surprise me to find out. Feds instigated most of the Jan 6 riot

Did the officer identify himself, shout out an order to stop? NO

Did he identify his target as male/female, an immediate grave threat? NO

Was she holding a weapon in her open hands, both which are clearly visible? NO

Was she verbalizing threats of grave bodily harm? NO

I'm not an expert on the use of lethal force but even as a layman I know those conditions do not justify the use of deadly force.

Warrior, please cite the evidence you are referring to above. Include evidence on what the officer reasonably perceived or should have reasonably perceived.

Again, I think her family loses the lawsuit 10 out of 10 times. But the jury will get to consider all evidence and sworn testimony. Unlike y'all and me.

Ashli would definitely be convicted of being an idiot rioter on the plain video evidence. She was not a peaceful tourist being escorted through the capital. So let's cut the BS that she's a hero and a martyr.

The old comply or die argument

Why didnt more protesters get shot?

BC, do the research it is now available.

Both video and Byrd's own testimony.

Since there is so much evidence online, where was Ashli going and what was she going to do when she got there?

Guess we will never know since they killed her!

27 years as an LEO...with annual use of force training. I'm way more qualified to call that incident than you are.

Ability, Opportunity, Jeopardy, Preclusion. This is the standard that we were training under. Read the attachment and see if any of it fits Ms. Babbitt. Look at it from the officer's perspective, which is how the courts should consider it.

Ability: did the officer pick her out of the crowd because he thought she alone had the ability to kill or seriously injure him? Did she even have the ability to kill or seriously injure the officer?
Opportunity: did the officer see a weapon in her possession?
Jeopardy: did she threaten the officer's life in a manner than was unmistakable as to her intentions?
Preclusion: did the officer have any other option to prevent being killed or seriously injured by her b4 firing his weapon?

I'm coming up with a "NO" to every one of these questions.

https://useofforce.us/3aojp/

I'm not an attorney, but Im sure I could successfully argue that case for the Babbit family.

Blain. With your thought process or lack of it. I guess som good old boys could get elevated passions behind cover making a cross fire and cut down on all the peaceful protesters burning, raping, abutting and taking over public building and streets and be not guilty of murder. I mean those people were actually committing crimes that harmed others.

I never said I was a use of force expert. You have some training and you have 27 years of experience, but you have not reviewed all of the evidence. Have you read any sworn testimony from the officer?

Should the officer have restrained her when she jumped through window broken by the rioting mob?

Weren't you a game warden? If so, I know you had to arrest people and interacted with dangerous types. But, how many capital buildings did you have to defend in those 27 years?

I have watched the video multiple times.

If she came thru the window, yes..he could've and should've restrained her.

Yes...game warden...that operated under the exact same state Constitution, US Constitution, and Bill of Rights as every other police officer in Georgia and the USA. The building being the Capitol doesn't make any difference. Same laws apply. Are you really an attorney??

Two more questions. I appreciate the discussion.

I asked whether you read any sworn testimony of the officer but I will expand it to any statements by the officer. Isn't his perspective and state of mind vital to determine whether use of force was necessary?

If he had attempted to restrain her, how does he handle the rest of the mob coming through the window?

I have not read any of his statements, but that video is very telling. The video doesn't appear to be a short clip taken out of context of the event.

There appeared to be other officers there. He wasn't alone. But, even if he was, shooting the first perp thru the window wasn't justified at that moment in time (see above AOJP).

Use of force continuum = he/they had other use of force options, but went straight to lethal.

Like what? Remember, he has a rioting mob that is trying to break through a door and has broken through a window to presumably get to house of representatives members. And Mike Pence.

How does he defend himself once the rest of them get through--while trying to cuff Ashli? I count seven others in just that picture.

Did you see anyone else go throught that window? How do you know they were going to follow her? How do you know what they were going to do once they entered if they did?

Surely a couple of the 200+ fbi operatives in the crowd would have assisted in restraining a woman coming through a window. They wanted all (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) to break loose when she was shot that it would be lost in the chaos but it didn’t happen.

There is a terrible day coming with no real winners.

It appeared she was the first because the window was just knocked out.

Typically people knock down doors and break windows because they want to go through them. This is especially true for a rioting mob.

Also on the video, one of them yells "he's got a gun!" before Ashli decides to jump through the window. Maybe the rest of them were smart enough to change their minds--especially when the first one goes and gets herself shot.