Re: Electorial college
[Re: charles]
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01/08/24 08:01 AM
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danny clifton
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I agree with you on state level. In the late 18th century though it took a long time to get to Philadelphia from Georgia.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: charles]
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01/08/24 08:02 AM
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danny clifton
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Another thing to consider is that people were more loyal to state than country. States had a lot more autonomy.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: charles]
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01/08/24 08:55 AM
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Use to be you had to own property to vote so doubt the founder's rigged the thing up for the reason's you suggest. Keep it, get rid of it, doesn't matter anymore, you no longer have election's anyway and both party's are still spending money like drunken sailor's so before long you won't even have a country. Least who ever takes over will have plenty of non english speaking cheap labor, going to need them to dig out the expensive's minerals we have locked away in 'critical habitat' we can't touch.
All the communist liberals have to do is flip TX! Which they are in the process of doing as we speak, once TX flips a republican will NEVER be in the white house again!
Not my circus, not my clowns.
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: Jtrapper]
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01/08/24 09:19 AM
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Osky
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Use to be you had to own property to vote so doubt the founder's rigged the thing up for the reason's you suggest. Keep it, get rid of it, doesn't matter anymore, you no longer have election's anyway and both party's are still spending money like drunken sailor's so before long you won't even have a country. Least who ever takes over will have plenty of non english speaking cheap labor, going to need them to dig out the expensive's minerals we have locked away in 'critical habitat' we can't touch.
All the communist liberals have to do is flip TX! Which they are in the process of doing as we speak, once TX flips a republican will NEVER be in the white house again! True that. Maybe Texas, and Minnesota need to be split. Split them both in half north to south along the I-35 corridor. Let’s see then which new halves survive into the future. Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: James]
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01/08/24 09:27 AM
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If you away the electoral college, the votes in 84% of the counties in the United States will not count. The country would definitely be a dictatorship run by 16% of the urban counties. This is exactly the reason the Liberals want the College eliminated to rule us forever. But counties don't vote; people do. When the Constitution was drafted and ratified, it took weeks to carry news, including election results, from one end of the country to the other. It made sense for the states to send representatives to an electoral college to finalize the voting. Nowadays information can be transmitted almost instantaneously all around the world. If the Constitution was drafted today, there probably would be little justification for an electoral college. I could be wrong, and am open to be persuaded otherwise, but I believe the electoral college wasn't intended as a means of adjusting relative political power between urban and rural areas. The Constitution provides such balancing by establishing two senators for each state, regardless of population. Is the electoral college still justified? I don't know, but it's part of the Constitution and is unlikely to be amended, so it is what it is. Jim I think communication was a by-product of the electoral college. The founders knew that direct democracy would eventually end in disaster.This was their way to avoid it. If they didn't see the potential conflict between rural and urban they would not have made representation proportional among all the states based on population of the political units of the states (the districts we have today) and not based on the population of the country as a whole. Consequently, we have the census every ten years to determine those populations. It did give the electors time to travel to Philly but they could have just as easily carried the total vote for each candidate and added them all together once they were assembled. But that isn't the way it is set up . I think the founders knew the tyranny of the majority would be a great temptation. Especially to people who lack integrity
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: Osky]
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01/08/24 09:44 AM
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Use to be you had to own property to vote so doubt the founder's rigged the thing up for the reason's you suggest. Keep it, get rid of it, doesn't matter anymore, you no longer have election's anyway and both party's are still spending money like drunken sailor's so before long you won't even have a country. Least who ever takes over will have plenty of non english speaking cheap labor, going to need them to dig out the expensive's minerals we have locked away in 'critical habitat' we can't touch.
All the communist liberals have to do is flip TX! Which they are in the process of doing as we speak, once TX flips a republican will NEVER be in the white house again! True that. Maybe Texas, and Minnesota need to be split. Split them both in half north to south along the I-35 corridor. Let’s see then which new halves survive into the future. Osky Could also split WA along the Pacific Crest watch eastern WA flourish and western WA go even further down the septic system
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: danvee]
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01/08/24 01:46 PM
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And what about extending the terms for president, I see this as a means to dictatorship and bad government. I’d extend all by 2 years. I would also enforce term limits on all. I would also limit bills to single issue. No more burying this or that. Budgets by law would be made and kept. No laws may be passed without a verified funding source within the budget. Most importantly, the salaries and perks would be slashed for both houses. In session twice a year, 6 weeks per. These “leaders” have made themselves all too important. Government housing for all while in session. Dorm style. Get your work done and get back to your districts where you belong. The media has made itself and these elected narcissists too important, we don’t need the phony trumped up headlines day in and day out nor these photo op hungry reps. If something extraordinary that needs tending too comes up, with todays communications and travel options it can be dealt with fast enough. Quite frankly with the existing clown show in Washington the more time for most things to settle out the better the decision making “should” be and less grandstanding we have thrown in our face. Of course all this would mean far less media coverage needed, which would be nice. We could always sell the thrones these elected queens and kings sit on literally to some other third world country, cut the debt some. Present administration would be a good resource on the sell out side. This wish list is a beginning. Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: Osky]
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01/08/24 01:50 PM
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And what about extending the terms for president, I see this as a means to dictatorship and bad government. I’d extend all by 2 years. I would also enforce term limits on all. I would also limit bills to single issue. No more burying this or that. Budgets by law would be made and kept. No laws may be passed without a verified funding source within the budget. Most importantly, the salaries and perks would be slashed for both houses. In session twice a year, 6 weeks per. These “leaders” have made themselves all too important. Government housing for all while in session. Dorm style. Get your work done and get back to your districts where you belong. The media has made itself and these elected narcissists too important, we don’t need the phony trumped up headlines day in and day out nor these photo op hungry reps. If something extraordinary that needs tending too comes up, with todays communications and travel options it can be dealt with fast enough. Quite frankly with the existing clown show in Washington the more time for most things to settle out the better the decision making “should” be and less grandstanding we have thrown in our face. Of course all this would mean far less media coverage needed, which would be nice. We could always sell the thrones these elected queens and kings sit on literally to some other third world country, cut the debt some. Present administration would be a good resource on the sell out side. This wish list is a beginning. Osky These are great ideas. Where do I sign the petition?
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: James]
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01/08/24 02:29 PM
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If you away the electoral college, the votes in 84% of the counties in the United States will not count. The country would definitely be a dictatorship run by 16% of the urban counties. This is exactly the reason the Liberals want the College eliminated to rule us forever. But counties don't vote; people do. When the Constitution was drafted and ratified, it took weeks to carry news, including election results, from one end of the country to the other. It made sense for the states to send representatives to an electoral college to finalize the voting. Nowadays information can be transmitted almost instantaneously allaround the world. If the Constitution was drafted today, there probably would be little justification for an electoral college. I could be wrong, and am open to be persuaded otherwise, but I believe the electoral college wasn't intended as a means of adjusting relative political power between urban and rural areas. The Constitution provides such balancing by establishing two senators for each state, regardless of population. Is the electoral college still justified? I don't know, but it's part of the Constitution and is unlikely to be amended, so it is what it is. Jim It still means that 84% of the country will never be represented and most of us here on Trapperman will have to live by the laws and the will imposed by the Socialist party.
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: Osky]
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01/08/24 03:11 PM
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And what about extending the terms for president, I see this as a means to dictatorship and bad government. I’d extend all by 2 years. I would also enforce term limits on all. I would also limit bills to single issue. No more burying this or that. Budgets by law would be made and kept. No laws may be passed without a verified funding source within the budget. Most importantly, the salaries and perks would be slashed for both houses. In session twice a year, 6 weeks per. These “leaders” have made themselves all too important. Government housing for all while in session. Dorm style. Get your work done and get back to your districts where you belong. The media has made itself and these elected narcissists too important, we don’t need the phony trumped up headlines day in and day out nor these photo op hungry reps. If something extraordinary that needs tending too comes up, with todays communications and travel options it can be dealt with fast enough. Quite frankly with the existing clown show in Washington the more time for most things to settle out the better the decision making “should” be and less grandstanding we have thrown in our face. Of course all this would mean far less media coverage needed, which would be nice. We could always sell the thrones these elected queens and kings sit on literally to some other third world country, cut the debt some. Present administration would be a good resource on the sell out side. This wish list is a beginning. Osky Osky for president! Great ideas all!
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: Osky]
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01/08/24 03:48 PM
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And what about extending the terms for president, I see this as a means to dictatorship and bad government. I’d extend all by 2 years. I would also enforce term limits on all. I would also limit bills to single issue. No more burying this or that. Budgets by law would be made and kept. No laws may be passed without a verified funding source within the budget. Most importantly, the salaries and perks would be slashed for both houses. In session twice a year, 6 weeks per. These “leaders” have made themselves all too important. Government housing for all while in session. Dorm style. Get your work done and get back to your districts where you belong. The media has made itself and these elected narcissists too important, we don’t need the phony trumped up headlines day in and day out nor these photo op hungry reps. If something extraordinary that needs tending too comes up, with todays communications and travel options it can be dealt with fast enough. Quite frankly with the existing clown show in Washington the more time for most things to settle out the better the decision making “should” be and less grandstanding we have thrown in our face. Of course all this would mean far less media coverage needed, which would be nice. We could always sell the thrones these elected queens and kings sit on literally to some other third world country, cut the debt some. Present administration would be a good resource on the sell out side. This wish list is a beginning. Osky Actually I would abolish the term limit on president. What we have now is first year put off the hard stuff so I can get reelected then second term I can do as I please and don't have to do anything. Make every term matter. You want reelected you do what you said you would. Yes, the risk is another FDR but since we don't have hereditary rule it'll eventually sort itself out as it did with FDR.
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: K52]
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01/08/24 06:31 PM
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Osky
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No way would I want 6 year term for president. Do you want 6 years of Executive Orders shoved down your throat with a least a chance to stop them at 4 years? The founders knew what they were doing when they set up our constitutional republic. Make term limits for the house and senate, two terms and go home. I hadn’t gotten to the executive orders but absolutely the rules in using them need to be enforced. I think they have been way over stretched. 6 year term is acknowledging the first year is lost to appointing and structuring appointees ( there are way to many of course ) for the term, and the last year is lost to reelection. First and last years are simply a monetary hayday for the media hucksters. Give the press the 4 years between. All house, senate, and white house occupants must make their tax returns public. Let’s get that right up front. Don’t like it, don’t run. Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Electorial college
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
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01/08/24 09:21 PM
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Need to eliminate the winner take all process that most states use. Should go by congressional districts . I think this would be beneficial, you still maintain the college and give the rual areas more of a voice.
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