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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8028869
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This is tricky one. Coming up with a close number on this old timer should test your scoring skills.

I try to show these deer where you get a good overall view of the rack.

What do you think The Ghost Buck taped out at?

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8028944
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191"

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8028990
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I’m going with 188 again

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8029194
12/23/23 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TEJAS


Originally Posted by BTLowry
More pics and some detail of the hunt please


BT, we really wanted to get some good field photos of him before we started the hunt. He had other plans.

Here is the recap.
Unfortunately I was unable to sit in on the final hunt.
Here is the short version of the final minutes.

To start off with the old buck came in with only fifteen minutes of good shooting light left. He came in from the opposite direction he was expected. That is no surprise on either count. The big surprise was that he showed up at all. That was only the third time he was seen in daylight this year. This was the last evening hunt, and the best opportunity to get a shot at this elusive deer.

He rolled in just before dark tending a doe. This old fella took date night very seriously. No other suitors were allowed anywhere near his new girlfriend. It's a miracle his rack remained unbroken with all the fighting we have witnessed in the last few weeks.

The doe tempted him out of the protection of the brush on to an old out of the way sendero that crossed though his stomping grounds. He probably wouldn't have moved before dark if it wasn't for her,The blind was basically set up in the buck’s bedroom.

They got a good broadside shot at him around 125 yards out.

It was a good death, as it should be.


You brought up a point we’ve noticed as well. I’m sure our ratio isn’t as dialed in as y’all’s, but our bigger antlered deer tend not to bust tines. Generally if they get to 160” or better they keep their antlers intact. Why do you think that is? Do you think others don’t challenge them? Or do you think the fights are short lived. I knew of a buck that we never got a pic of with another buck was around. Rattling would send him the opposite direction. More than 3 does around and he’d leave. We have yet to kill a “big” deer with broken tines or antlers. We have a ton of younger bucks with broken racks, but the bigger antlered buck are whole.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8029200
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And your probably looking at close to 70” or more in just beams and spread on that buck.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8029892
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Good Question WB.

When I get at a stopping point I'll give you my take on what might be the possible cause for what you are seeing

It is just a series guesses after a lot of observations over the years, but I do see some definite trends.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8030536
12/25/23 09:16 AM
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Merry Christmas T-Man Crew !!

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8030544
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Merry Christmas Tejas!

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: Wanna Be] #8030711
12/25/23 12:56 PM
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Good Question WB.

Originally Posted by Wanna Be
You brought up a point we’ve noticed as well. I’m sure our ratio isn’t as dialed in as y’all’s, but our bigger antlered deer tend not to bust tines. Generally if they get to 160” or better they keep their antlers intact. Why do you think that is? Do you think others don’t challenge them? Or do you think the fights are short lived. I knew of a buck that we never got a pic of with another buck was around. Rattling would send him the opposite direction. More than 3 does around and he’d leave. We have yet to kill a “big” deer with broken tines or antlers. We have a ton of younger bucks with broken racks, but the bigger antlered buck are whole.


Why do you see so many young deer broke?

The young guns all have something to prove.They also have thin antlers compared to the older deer.
There are probably more bucks in that age class as well. That is most likely the reason you see so many broke up young deer.

I believe bucks are at their prime at 4/5 years old. That is when I see the most antler damage from mature deer in general. Testosterone is probably as high as it gets during those years. Jet black hocks all the way to the hoof are common here on hard rutting bucks.

As they get older I see a shift to self-preservation if you will. Older bucks try to keep does well away from other suitors. Lockdown is a prime example of this.
I see the older deer will often time set up shop in a relatively small area to work the girls. The less he travels the fewer fights he will probably have to engage in.

By the time they get to six years old they have established a ranking. Their reputation allows them to buffalo a lot of young deer and bucks in their prime that could probably beat them in a fight. I see this all the time. Their past fights and reputation hold a lot of weight in the field up to a point.

Fields are a war zone. If you have a lot of fields and a good ratio you are going to have a lot of fighting on the green.
This is the last place an old buck wants his hot doe to visit.

In this neck of the brush it's a race to kill mature target deer before they break regardless of their size or age.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8030722
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Yea sir, I have seen some knock down drag out fights. In fact, I don’t think a human could mimic the intensity or duration with a set of rattling antlers.
I still have a few bucks we’re trying to “save” for next season. We have a little over 3 weeks left of the season with not much deer hunting going on on our place. It’s just now trying to keep them happy and fed to keep them on our place. These could be really nice bucks next year. One is a 10 with a split G2, one is a 10 that’s missing a brow tine. We aren’t sure if it’s broke, or never grew. He still looks decent. Then we have an 8 we were going to take until he came by the stand and if given another year, he should be a very nice scoring 8 for down here.
All but the 10 or technically 9pt without the brow are all intact. All look run down as heck right now too. Peanuts are my feed of choice, mainly because it’s free. I only put out corn for the carbs during the rut. Protein (peanuts) the rest of the year.
Now these aren’t y’all’s deer, but these are definitely trophies for here.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8031032
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Merry Christmas

James you are probably on to something with that theory about the bucks

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8031036
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So what did that ghost buck score?

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: Tony1967] #8031248
12/26/23 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony1967
So what did that ghost buck score?


188 & change

Good Guess T67 !

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8031602
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Yep,good guess T67 missed again within 2 1/2" great buck,what were the beams?I gave them 27"?

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8040272
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James you busy hunting deer?
Take a vacation?

Hope you are good whatever you have been up to wink

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8042413
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Thanks BT!

There is a lot going on around here this time of the year.

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8042420
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There is a lot going on in the brush as well.


Here is a buck standing his ground on the field of battle.

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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8042488
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I figured you were so busy with the deer hunting that you didn't have time to post wink

Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8042679
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Re: COYOTE CARNAGE – SOUTH TEXAS BRUSH COUNTRY [Re: TEJAS] #8043434
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