|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Boco]
#8048600
01/13/24 10:19 PM
01/13/24 10:19 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2010
NC, Person Co.
QuietButDeadly
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Sep 2010
NC, Person Co.
|
The way I do mine they are stronger than the cable. Far superior to swaged for my use. How many of yours have you had tested on an Instron? What was the mean failure point and the standard deviation? How does yours stack up to the swaged ones that are inferior to your homemade. Same data points as above.
Life Member: NCTA, VTA, NTA, TTFHA, MFTI Member: FTA
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Tracker12]
#8048723
01/14/24 12:32 AM
01/14/24 12:32 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Indiana
bluegrassman
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Nov 2007
Indiana
|
properly swaged ferrules are much stronger than hammered on ones. if there swaged properly you will break the cable before they pull loose.
Anyone that owns a gun and votes democrat deserves to have there gun taken, cause they truly are too stupid to own a gun.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: dustytinner]
#8048728
01/14/24 12:52 AM
01/14/24 12:52 AM
|
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
~ADC~
The Count
|
The Count
Joined: Jun 2010
Iowa
|
![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/01/full-34146-204017-screenshot_20240113_113721_samsung_internet.jpg) $47.49 from Vevor This is the way to go 100% IMO. Those hand swaggers mounted to the bench, that was in one of Newt's videos MANY years ago but for the price you can get real bench swaggers for you'd be crazy to not get the real deal.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: QuietButDeadly]
#8048769
01/14/24 02:37 AM
01/14/24 02:37 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
|
The way I do mine they are stronger than the cable. Far superior to swaged for my use. How many of yours have you had tested on an Instron? What was the mean failure point and the standard deviation? How does yours stack up to the swaged ones that are inferior to your homemade. Same data points as above. I hooked then to the ball on my truck to test. The way I hammer mine on they cannot let go before the cable breaks. All I know is mine dont break and the swaged ones were no good. And I snare everything. Have been for 50 years.
Last edited by Boco; 01/14/24 02:42 AM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Tracker12]
#8048821
01/14/24 07:52 AM
01/14/24 07:52 AM
|
Joined: Mar 2023
ak ⚡️
Alder
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Mar 2023
ak ⚡️
|
I've tried to purchase swaggers on Amazon twice now and they haven't shipped to rural AK- FYI. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/01/full-57279-204070-5df04c99_71d6_4ca9_b8de_6226a193cf2b.jpeg) Been disappointing. Have some mods to make and it's already the middle of the season. First order was in Oct. Hammers and anvils work. Swaggers make a higher quality product.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Alder]
#8049136
01/14/24 02:14 PM
01/14/24 02:14 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2009
100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Jul 2009
100 Mile House, BC Can
|
Hammers and anvils work. Swaggers make a higher quality product.
I seriously doubt that having had commercial swaggered cables fail me a number of times. Whereas my own hammered and cross punched cables have never failed me per my recollection. Get to know what your doing and you can produce a quality product with anvil, hammer and cross punch. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/01/full-12152-204126-2015_09_27_10.21.55.jpg)
The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Alder]
#8049282
01/14/24 04:51 PM
01/14/24 04:51 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
|
I've tried to purchase swaggers on Amazon twice now and they haven't shipped to rural AK- FYI. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/01/full-57279-204070-5df04c99_71d6_4ca9_b8de_6226a193cf2b.jpeg) Been disappointing. Have some mods to make and it's already the middle of the season. First order was in Oct. Hammers and anvils work. Swaggers make a higher quality product. Swaged are junk. Read what the Tomcat said.hammered and crosspunched-never fail/
Last edited by Boco; 01/14/24 04:52 PM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Tracker12]
#8049370
01/14/24 05:59 PM
01/14/24 05:59 PM
|
Joined: Dec 2019
Iowa
CTRAPS
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Dec 2019
Iowa
|
So is there a special way to hammer them so that they hold. Have any pics of one? I think it's a Canadian trade secret.
Life Member: ITA, IBA & NRA. Member of SA, MTA, FTA & NTA
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Tracker12]
#8049510
01/14/24 07:20 PM
01/14/24 07:20 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Indiana
bluegrassman
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Nov 2007
Indiana
|
I use to make my disposable stakes with 1/8” cable double ferrule hammered flat then used a dull chisel to cross punch them. I also used 2 5/16” annealed nuts per loop hammered flat. I thought both were strong until I bought a swagger and seen first hand how much better and stronger a swaged double ferrule was compared to a hammered and punched one.
Both ways will work but swagged is stronger and more fun to use and quieter.
Once you use a swagger you just laugh at the people hammering them on.
Anyone that owns a gun and votes democrat deserves to have there gun taken, cause they truly are too stupid to own a gun.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Tracker12]
#8049513
01/14/24 07:21 PM
01/14/24 07:21 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Indiana
bluegrassman
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Nov 2007
Indiana
|
A single ferrule stop on the end of the snare wouldn’t be too bad to just hammer on but making cable stakes with 2 loops and 2 double ferrules swagged is the only way to go
Anyone that owns a gun and votes democrat deserves to have there gun taken, cause they truly are too stupid to own a gun.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: bluegrassman]
#8049571
01/14/24 07:58 PM
01/14/24 07:58 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
|
I use to make my disposable stakes with 1/8” cable double ferrule hammered flat then used a dull chisel to cross punch them. I also used 2 5/16” annealed nuts per loop hammered flat. I thought both were strong until I bought a swagger and seen first hand how much better and stronger a swaged double ferrule was compared to a hammered and punched one.
Both ways will work but swagged is stronger and more fun to use and quieter.
Once you use a swagger you just laugh at the people hammering them on. Not stronger-weaker. I lost two wolves with swaged snares.Will never use that junk again.A wised up wolf on the line is a Huge liability I cannot afford.Let alone Two. Never lost a wolf with hammered.
Last edited by Boco; 01/14/24 08:00 PM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Tracker12]
#8049783
01/14/24 10:05 PM
01/14/24 10:05 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Indiana
bluegrassman
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Nov 2007
Indiana
|
I’ve had a few stakes that got drove through some junk etc in the ground and could not drill them out. Had to hook my truck up to them and pull them with the truck. Never had a double ferrule pull through but have had the 1/8” cable break. Loop still intact and holding. I have had few hammered and punched ferrules pull through. And a few annealed nuts pull through.
I’m not gonna say about single ferrules on snares, never had any of them break or put them to the test either.
Maybe your ferrules weren’t crimped right or maybe they were break away ferrules designed to release at a certain poundage.
But for me making cable stakes using double ferrules swaged is the only way to go.
Anyone that owns a gun and votes democrat deserves to have there gun taken, cause they truly are too stupid to own a gun.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Tracker12]
#8050003
01/15/24 12:56 AM
01/15/24 12:56 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
Boco
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2011
james bay frontierOnt.
|
I dont know about any of that but I know i wont use them again. I use a double ferrel for an end stop with the cable folded over inside then hammered. When I tested them with my truck the cable broke.
Last edited by Boco; 01/15/24 01:05 AM.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Tracker12]
#8050139
01/15/24 09:44 AM
01/15/24 09:44 AM
|
Joined: Aug 2015
NE NE
Wife
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Aug 2015
NE NE
|
Boco and bctomcat's experience mirrors mine. I have been making snares with all types of hammered ferrules since the late 70's and swaged ones for 30 yrs. Used high tensile steel fence ferrules swaged since 93'. You need to consider looking at the cross section of the cable you use FIRST (look at the manufacturer's drawings/printings of the two types of cable) . All 1X19 is very uniform and smooth in circumference twisted wire, whereas the 7X7 has an irregular circumference layered surface. When swaging you are compressing a "ROUND piece of smooth aluminum" against a "ROUND piece of smooth galvanized or stainless steel cable with 1X19". You are banking on enough internal ferrule FRICTION from that swage to hold on that smooth surface (discount any petroleum lubricant present on the NEW cable). On a 7X7 cable you have more irregularities on the cable's surface to cause more ferrule friction and potentially better compressive/flexile strength against a straight line pull. Swaged ferrules are externally PRESSED somewhat evenly along the the axis of both types of cable. With hammering flat and with a notch you have deformed the interior of the ferrule and the cable enough to add a significant amount of "FRICTION" to the connection (introducing more friction points) PERPENDICULAR to the line of pull. Can you cause enough damage to the cable/connection? Probably not with an aluminum ferrule and your arm hammer. The annealed steel nut connectors in place of aluminum ferrules could cut the cable if too much pressure is applied but again "which is the softer metal" taking the hammer blows? Sounds like I dislike swaged aluminum ferrules doesn't it. Not really, as I still use it (bench swager) with Newt Sterling's double ferrule technique for 1X19 shown above and if I use the small steel annealed nuts, I use them in the bench swager. It works better than "my 70 year old eyes and an old man with a hammer can" LOL. For 3/32 extensions I can see good enough to hammer aluminum ferrules. There is a trick to using the steel nuts in the swager and they must be soft but no problems with 7X7 (1/16th or 5/64ths) for me. My experience................ the mike
Last edited by Wife; 01/15/24 09:48 AM. Reason: added word
|
|
|
Re: Swagger/Crimping Tool
[Re: Mark McCary]
#8051497
01/16/24 02:09 PM
01/16/24 02:09 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2019
Custer Co, Idaho
sneaky
trapper
|
trapper
Joined: Oct 2019
Custer Co, Idaho
|
If you can afford a good swagger? The ARM Bench Swagger made in Japan. Is a very nice one!! They cost about 215,00 $$ X2. Love mine
Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand
|
|
|
|
|
|