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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8057975
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It's ok, personally I have never understood why people would send their children to failing public schools, so they could load up on material wealth. I thought once I became a parent my priority was raising and getting those children ready for when they left the nest. After that, I would have plenty of time to start filling my pockets full of wealth again.

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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8057980
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Bernie hit on it.

Public schools are full.of weird kids too.
Many of these kids that don't fit in PS are pulled and then homeschooled BECAUSE they couldn't fit in.
They'd be weird either way.
Sort of skews the data.


Full disclosure, all our kids were homeschooled, some until middle or high school, some until.college.

LOL, we always used to.hear, " Wow, I'd never have guessed your kids are homeschooled, they seem so normal!"

Free thinkers, mature, and successful.
Well, waiting to.see how the last one turns out, lol

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Originally Posted by Dirt
It's ok, personally I have never understood why people would send their children to failing public schools, so they could load up on material wealth. I thought once I became a parent my priority was raising and getting those children ready for when they left the nest. After that, I would have plenty of time to start filling my pockets full of wealth again.


All well and good...as long as you had enough flow to pay the mortgage..heat ..lights.. food clothing..Dr Bills.. car repairs..house repairs..and the list goes on and on.


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8057984
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Nothing against HSing. The problem I have with it is are they getting taught what they need to be successful for a college grad. I do know of one family that have HSed. The thing that stands out with those late teen and young adults is that they have social issues, and it has been hard for them to relate to others in the work force and their private lives. I know some here will say you don't need to be a college grad etc.. True but the world needs people that continue to carry us along with professional college degrees.

Just the observation and what has happened in their life as a young adult so far. None have furthered their education and have min wage job and not a career that will take them into retirement years.

Also not saying this is a normal situation in how all HSed kids move forward. I'm just given an example of the one family I can comment on with observation.


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Seek] #8057986
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Originally Posted by Seek
Public schools are an absolute joke. Nothing but a captive audience for a bunch of activist teachers to indoctrinate kids. Government school is a disaster.

No one fought the homeschooling movement more than the NEA. A failing public school system demanding your kids adhere to their curriculum and oversight.

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homeschooling varies as much as public school

think how hard metro Baltimore or other similar districts fail students

good school or bad I can basically tell you who will do decent and who won't by Christmas eve of Kindergarten.

a very simple litmus test and it has zero to do with the kids aptitude or intelligence.

it has everything to do with the parents level of involvement and attitude.

Parental expectation and involvement. if you are expected to be a B student or higher , you are held to that and your parents give you all the help and tools to reach that , you will seldom see a kid fall short of that on a regular basis. someone is going to get a C some times but it won't be the every semester.

we home schooled for 7 years
for my oldest that was 2nd through 8th grade
for the next it was 1st thru 7th and my youngest went to school in 2nd grade they wanted to and they put up such a fight to homeschooling it was the right thing for them even if I don't feel they got the education their siblings did in the end.

it is a financial burden , it takes one parent with a strong income and some sacrifices.

you are still paying school taxes and you are buying books and supplies that can get expensive , good text books aren't cheap.

you need to spend some time socializing , 4-H , home school groups , church.
if your using home schooling as a way to hide away from people , they will be stunted in their social development
on the flip side where 5th graders are already engaging in sex isn't healthy either. They aren't stunted they are damaged and at a young age it has bad effects but maybe more hidden under the surface of emotional development.

letting them be kids for a few more years can give them better tools to deal with social pressures while they build reasoning skills on other more age appropriate explorations like small engines , trapping , hunting , cooking , farming ,animal husbandry.

of my 3 kids no one graduated with less than a 3.5gpa from high school.
2 are in college
the oldest is on track to graduate high honors from the UW in December with an art education degree a teaching certificate and a art history minor.
Middle child tried college during covid , then worked 2 years in a factory and is now back as a full time student to be a machinist and CNC tech.
my youngest who spent the most time in public school is working and figuring out what they want to do in the future , they completed a CNA program in high school but decided that wasn't the work they wanted to do.


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Who on here were publicly schooled or home schooled.
I went to public school all the way thru,then travelled and worked abroad to expand my life experience.
Growing up I spent all my spare time playing hockey and hunting trapping fishing canoeing swimming water skiing camping and learning the bush.I also worked as a kid to earn money-paper route,work on farms loading hay bales,cut lawns shovel snow,pick and sell dew worms,anything to earn a bit of spending money,which I spent on knives guns fishing stuff,etc.
I consider it all part of my education.I had some really great teachers in public school,the ones in high school I butted heads with fairly regularly always challenging their "views".


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Let me add to the list. Cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, big screen tv, play station, bass boat, atv, eating out, camper, vacations, etc


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8057998
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I had some of the greatest teachers that one could have in public school. My 1 thru 6 were absolutely role models for me as I entered the upper grades.


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Posco] #8058004
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Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by Seek
Public schools are an absolute joke. Nothing but a captive audience for a bunch of activist teachers to indoctrinate kids. Government school is a disaster.

No one fought the homeschooling movement more than the NEA. A failing public school system demanding your kids adhere to their curriculum and oversight.


I thought the NEA was a big proponent of low student teacher ratios? Can't get much lower than 1 to 1.


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Re: Home Schooling ..... [Re: Nessmuck] #8058006
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I’ve seen mixed results from homeschooling,,,, some real winners and some super losers


The key with the super winners was homeschooling in conjunction with travelling abroad

The losers seemed too have the common thread of not really socializing


Covid screwed over a whole generation of young people. Very few kids excelled at homeschooling during the lockdowns

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Originally Posted by Boco
Who on here were publicly schooled or home schooled.
I went to public school all the way thru,then travelled and worked abroad to expand my life experience.
Growing up I spent all my spare time playing hockey and hunting trapping fishing canoeing swimming water skiing camping and learning the bush.I also worked as a kid to earn money-paper route,work on farms loading hay bales,cut lawns shovel snow,pick and sell dew worms,anything to earn a bit of spending money,which I spent on knives guns fishing stuff,etc.
I consider it all part of my education.I had some really great teachers in public school,the ones in high school I butted heads with fairly regularly always challenging their "views".

I was public schooled K-12 and then went to a tech school, my wife was home schooled K-12 and then graduated magna cum laude from a prestigious private university.

I'm a weirdo, she's a social butterfly that runs a mother's non-profit organization and a youth non-profit organization. You'd never know she was homeschooled if you met her.

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I was publicly schooled for all but 1/2 of one glorious year. I despised school. I had nothing in common with my schoolmates. I was the only girl that hunted, trapped or fished and so of course they all thought I was weird for that. Then, in the 8th grade, I fell and broke my leg in several places. The school allowed my mom to homeschool me during the recovery which ended up being the rest of the school year. It wasn't really homeschooling in the sense they do it today. The curriculum was the one the school used and they sent my mother the required readings and such, I was still technically considered a member of the public school.

I loved it! I'd wake up and work on schooling right off and usually be done before noon, giving me the rest of the afternoon to myself, which would have been even more glorious if I could have gotten around better. When I was in school, the bus didn't bring me home until 4:30pm. I remember certain things about that time like reading one of the assigned novels with my mother. The book was Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, and I remember sitting in the springtime sunshine on the porch and she'd read a chapter, then I'd read a chapter and we'd discuss the story afterwards. It was great.

I went back to school in 9th grade but after my hiatus I despised it even more. In tenth grade, I dropped out. I waited the year NYS law required I wait before taking my GED, then enrolled in community college. I was on the last semester of my Sophmore year when my high school class showed up for the first semester of their Freshman year. Oddly, perhaps, but I loved college every bit as much as I hated high school. I've always loved learning, I just hated the toxic environment of public grade/high school.


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Originally Posted by spjones

Covid screwed over a whole generation of young people. Very few kids excelled at homeschooling during the lockdowns



Remote learning does not equal homeschooling, lol

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Originally Posted by Dirt
I thought the NEA was a big proponent of low student teacher ratios? Can't get much lower than 1 to 1.

That sounds like laziness and more opportunities to sponge off the taxpayer.

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I don’t see the difference

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A quick Google will show you 90% of public school teachers vote Democrat. That reality is reflected in our country today.

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Originally Posted by Nessmuck


All well and good...as long as you had enough flow to pay the mortgage..heat ..lights.. food clothing..Dr Bills.. car repairs..house repairs..and the list goes on and on.



Huh?
We made it work, but we were determined to make it work, while well below this area's average income.

Priorities.

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Look up John Taylor Gatto.
Teacher of the Year.
Who advocated homeschooling...

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