Re: Snaring Beaver?
[Re: loosanarrow]
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01/28/24 03:26 AM
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I have too much video of live neck snared beaver working the loop off with their front paws. They most definitely can do it. Although once they are held the first 5 minutes or so not a lot will manage to get the loop off, some manage to escape hours after being caught just by working the loop with front feet. Overall it is not something I would say happens most of the time or even a whole lot, but enough that I don’t try to do it.
Also, I have not evaluated every cable/lock combination with that observation, so there may be some setups that could minimize or eliminate neck caught escapes.
Get at least one front foot in the loop and they are not getting loose. With this, I am not giving any consideration to leather stripes or fur damage, of course. I run fast, loaded snares made out of 1/16 1x19 cable, release ferrules and slim locks. I've yet to find a snare for beaver that suggested it was thrown off and I neck snare 90% of the beaver.
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Re: Snaring Beaver?
[Re: WhiteCliffs]
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01/28/24 09:37 AM
01/28/24 09:37 AM
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I use slim locks on loaded snares also. While I guess it's possible a beaver could work it off it's neck it would have to stop immediately when the snare fired. Of course neck snaring beaver is something I just experiment with since all the beaver in this part of the country are hatters. I do snare them on dry land often.
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Re: Snaring Beaver?
[Re: loosanarrow]
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01/28/24 03:35 PM
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Maybe it is my setup. We must use a “relaxing” lock, and I use reverse bend Riechert locks with 5/64” 1x19 cable. No stops or release devices.
I will say that on several occasions I had empty snares that did not seem obvious that a beaver escaped, but video showed exactly what happened. The vast majority of them don’t escape when neck caught though, so it is not a huge factor. I am a nuisance business only, no fur trapping, so I much prefer a body catch.
I will probably stick with my current setup since I like it best of what I have tried, but if your goal is to neck snare beavers there probably are better setups. Everything has advantages and disadvantages, and different situations and regulations are also factors to be considered. I also do not use any swivels on beaver snares, and I have never had one break or twist off of 5/64” 1x19 that I know of.
I expect that 1/16” cable would be better for holding neck snared beavers, so I don’t doubt you. If I remember my testing using that lock and cable for coon snares, that lock would actually bounce back a bit when you first fire the snare.
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Re: Snaring Beaver?
[Re: WhiteCliffs]
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01/28/24 04:54 PM
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Building snares is a fun hobby sometimes as there's just all kinds of ways to build a snare.
Ohios definition of relaxing basically means there is no such thing as a non relaxing lock.
Quick thing on bouncing, we're only talking about . 25-.50 of an inch.
Of the ones I can think of, probably the sure lock is probably the most bounce resistant. Especially if you run 7x7 cable, which really should eliminate any bouncing at all . Not that id intentionally run 7x7 cable for anything on a snare other than as an extension
The effect also seems to more pronounced on shiney new cable. I build and test snares before treating cable. After treatment I verify that the lock still fires smoothly.
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Re: Snaring Beaver?
[Re: SNIPERBBB]
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01/28/24 10:15 PM
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Ohio's definition of a relaxing lock is one that stops tightening when the animal stops pulling. All locks do that...
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Re: Snaring Beaver?
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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01/28/24 10:20 PM
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Ohio's definition of a relaxing lock is one that stops tightening when the animal stops pulling. All locks do that... yep, still have people try to tell me that you cant run x lock in ohio.
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Re: Snaring Beaver?
[Re: bearcat2]
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01/29/24 08:44 AM
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So basically Ohio says you can't use kill springs or "spring assist" locks? That's the only way I know of a lock to continue tightening when the animal isn't pulling on it. Correct can't use a mechanical device that assists in closing the snare
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Re: Snaring Beaver?
[Re: ~ADC~]
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01/29/24 11:11 PM
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Sounds like some suppliers should start labeling cam locks as relaxing locks. They are by Ohio standards. ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) I love that idea. And any one piece lock does in fact relax a bit when an animal stops pulling. It may only be 1/64”, but it relaxes. So the suppliers can honestly list any one piece lock as relaxing. If I were the supplier I would also note that some states may define relaxing empirically or with specific parameters so always check your laws before using. But for those of us whose DNR directs law enforcement to check the supplier designation, it would sure be nice, and I will say it again, it would be honest and in good faith to list one piece locks as relaxing. No sleight of hand or stretch of truth to it. Edit: I see you said cam locks. They are not one piece, but they too must relax a bit it seems. But I would be happy just to have all one piece locks automatically listed as relaxing.
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Re: Snaring Beaver?
[Re: sjc]
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01/31/24 01:12 AM
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My beaver snaring is under ice. I know a lot of guys use baited sets, but most of mine are just snares set where they are going. I've snared lots of beaver, and I get them mostly by the neck but also by the middle, tail and even the teeth and nose. It's amazing how a 50-60 pound beaver can get through and be snared by the tail. I have a lot of rats in most of my spots so I set the lock so it's not firing fast. A couple snare poles can cover quite a wide area. I use them occasionally with tangle stakes in open water nuisance beaver removal.
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