Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: Boco]
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02/28/24 12:44 PM
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Dont tell lies walleyed or God wont let your sore toe heal up. God already punished walleyed this morning when the rotten toe got stubbed on something in the dark !!! Didn't you hear me howling & cursing this morning at around 5:00 AM ? w
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: whartonrattrappe]
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02/28/24 01:19 PM
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I don’t get this pay by the pound thing either. Under fur & hair is friggin light. It's selling them by the pound stretched and dried hide included. Thats what I mean, they could be buying a nice big summer beaver with no underfur but a thick hide? Some regions beaver have thicker hides than others too. Then there's guys who'll smartly leave stuff on the hide or make sure there's lots of sand in the fur. Buying by weight seems like a really stupid idea unless you're really under paying the seller. Like I says....I don't get it.
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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Too easy to pay 18 a lb for and sell for 22.
I may have to haul my beaver to Idaho to get their potential out of them. So they buyer is making $8 on a $40 (2 pound beaver at $20 lb)investment? That certainly isn't getting rich in my opinion when you figure in transportation costs and storage. Show me where I said they were getting rich, What i said was there is more potential than $18 to $19 dollars a lb for winter beaver.
To get a better number I would need to weigh a bunch of blankets but I just weighed one. 65" My supers 70"+ will weigh more I'm sure. It is also true that leather weights are different in the north and south. I'm told that Alaska has parchment type leather.
Minnesota February beaver tend to run light leathered as well. On average our fall hides will weigh as much or more than our good winter beaver of equal size. Those winter beaver will have exponentially more underfur which is what the hatter trade uses. The long hairs and hide are discarded. So someone with a thick leathered beaver that weighs the same as a heavy furred beaver of equal size will get paid the same. See the dilemma? It's the Walmart mentality. Walleyed the beaver I have in my possession will grade with the best of the best. It's about time of year.
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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Also 160 user, when the buyers are purchasing in the round is where the real money is at.
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: Steven 49er]
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02/28/24 01:37 PM
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Minnesota February beaver tend to run light leathered as well. On average our fall hides will weigh as much or more than our good winter beaver of equal size. Those winter beaver will have exponentially more underfur which is what the hatter trade uses. The long hairs and hide are discarded.
So someone with a thick leathered beaver that weighs the same as a heavy furred beaver of equal size will get paid the same. See the dilemma? It's the Walmart mentality.
It's about time of year.
I see your dilemma now. How much do you think you will get for your winter caught beaver? And do you have a market for them?
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/28/24 01:50 PM
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Those heavies? Find somebody like WyWolfer who needs shearables for his business, or a craft buyer that is willing to open his wallet a little wider than what he was once used to. Or the simplest is send them to FHA. We're hearing that the heavies may finally be getting up to more reasonable levels. Of course most of what I hear comes from Boco....LOL.
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: Steven 49er]
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02/28/24 01:53 PM
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Walleyed the beaver I have in my possession will grade with the best of the best.
It's about time of year.
Steven, I never asked you about your beaver. w
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: whartonrattrappe]
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02/28/24 04:32 PM
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Minnesota February beaver tend to run light leathered as well. On average our fall hides will weigh as much or more than our good winter beaver of equal size. Those winter beaver will have exponentially more underfur which is what the hatter trade uses. The long hairs and hide are discarded.
So someone with a thick leathered beaver that weighs the same as a heavy furred beaver of equal size will get paid the same. See the dilemma? It's the Walmart mentality.
It's about time of year.
I see your dilemma now. How much do you think you will get for your winter caught beaver? And do you have a market for them? Like the dumb chinese buying sec 3 otter for higher prices than the good ones a decade ago The dumb hatters buying beaver with no underfur have learned their lessons also from the last couple years.
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
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02/28/24 04:42 PM
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What evidence do we have that the "dumb hatter buyers" have learned their lesson? But I agree, if they haven't they must got something wrong in the head.
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: Tom Fisher]
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02/28/24 04:45 PM
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Iam going to the New Mexico sale this weekend ----sooo should I divide my beaver into two piles one damaged and one for the "perfect" ones? Interesting question Tom. My answer is: do you know who the buyers will be? If you got craft types it may pay to separate out your better stuff. But on the other hand with my one lone experience so far this year the hatters bought all the beaver that were offered and crafters bids didn't match the market. Edit: Had to fact check myself and fact is my small stuff did indeed sell to a crafter for $21 each. My big lot of XL and larger sold for $41 avg to one of the big hatter buyers.
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
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Just the word going around.Re Beaver market update from the auction. Expecting good beaver to advance and poor beaver to remain the same or drop. I didnt ask what the evidence was but probably inquiries from the new buyers what the grades mean re- underfur. Dont worry BP bites shouldnt matter as long as they got some felt.
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: Boco]
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02/28/24 05:47 PM
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You will never realize the true value of your good pelts if they are not graded. They will be tossed in with the poor stuff and bring the same low price. That is why I shipped with Fur Harvesters
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
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02/28/24 06:13 PM
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What evidence do we have that the "dumb hatter buyers" have learned their lesson? But I agree, if they haven't they must got something wrong in the head. Or the hatter market is stronger than anyone on Tman realizes.
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
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02/28/24 06:17 PM
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What evidence do we have that the "dumb hatter buyers" have learned their lesson? But I agree, if they haven't they must got something wrong in the head. Or the hatter market is stronger than anyone on Tman realizes. I cant imagine the hatter market being so strong, perhaps I am unaware of it's capacity....
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Re: Selling beaver pelts by weight
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/28/24 07:40 PM
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trapper les, The hatter market is what has got us to where we are today, not the shearable market.
And it's why this beaver marketing thread continues.
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