I've been seeing ads about this gun that is supposed to rather than kill would incapacitate someone by the use of a pepper irritant. Anyone know anything about this gun?

Then can you tie him up and torture him into changing his ways??

Three different types of ammo, that I know of:

• kinnetic, basically just a glass marble
• pepper spray, super strong
• pepper spray +tear gas

Uses compressed air cartridges. they are plenty good for a magazine or so good. but will soon leak out after the first shot.

Range is a bunch of yards. Maybe close to 30.

Although pretty accurate; you don't need to make a direct hit on your attacker. If that ball breaks near him; he's down.

They are plenty light, but a bit bulky for conceal carry.

Hannity likes them so they must suck, at least a little.

I got one for the wife. She loves it.

TDS is real…. Just can’t help or heal themselves

Yes but I heard that their TDS is not as contagious as they want it to be.

You mean like that thing that has folks wearing masks in their cars?

I see this as assault and battery not self defense. If you are justified in discharging this device at someone then the same grounds for lethal use of force absolutely must also exist. So in that case just irritating someone who has put you in fear for life or grave bodily harm can get you killed. If the basis for lethal use of force does not exist then you have no business shooting this thing at anyone.

The same logic applies to shooting to wound or warning shots with firearms.

Thinking on my reply it sounds like I'm against less than lethal options but I'm not.

Back when I wore a uniform and duty belt, a long time ago, I also carried pepper spray and night stick.

To me less than lethal are an addendum on the flow chart of use of force not the preferred tool for any and all force. But in almost all uses of any type of force certain conditions must first be met. Then expediency can determine if less than lethal may be a option.

When its go time, its go time. I won't be packing toys to do what's right.

OH, YEAH a bunch of tough guys.

Just think about this:

Shoot your firearm and , right or wrong, plan on legal problems and fees for years and years to come. Maybe a few months with the Byrna.

As for the notion of assault and battery, you were not justified in using either if you were not in danger of "great bodily harm".

And what if he keeps coming unfazed? OC or CS are not always instantly incapacitating. Some individuals have extreme tolerances or may be experiencing extreme mental or drug induced conditions. Same goes for tasers.

As I said less than lethal is a possible option on the scale of force not a must use option or even a possible under every condition.

But having some very limited experience years ago I don't trust any tool, including firearms, as the option of first or last resort that results in instant incapacitation and end of hostilities. I also know that any defense tool that impacts another person comes with legal responsibility and consequences.

Sounds like it would be good for stray dogs or dogs that chase you on a bike or ATV.

I looked into them when someone asked me about them.

the CO2 cartridge is in the magazine and gets pierced when you go to fire it so that it can sit without leaking

it is a phycological stop in my opinion

if your committed to not using anything lethal maybe it will work for you.