Michigan coyote season fight
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03/17/24 12:41 AM
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There is a fight going on in michigan over the length of coyote season Im hopeing the trapping community can pitch in and help Below i copied and pasted the info Sportsman state and nation wide I am calling out to yall to help fellow sportsman. This week the Michigan NRC Commission voted 4-2 in favor of ending the year round coyote season. Yes this is bad but what is in the back ground of the bigger picture is they ripped a giant hole into the Proposal G of 1996 and went against Sound Scientific data which protects all sportsman whom enjoy the outdoor opportunities in the state of Michigan for residents as well as non-residents abroad. As a Director of the Predator Callers at Large I assure you we are currently working hard and tirelessly to put up a fight for all of our fellow hunters. I am asking that anyone and everyone who can donate funds to our organization be it you are a Predator hunter or not this is not just about losing a 12 month season rather upholding a Law voted by the people and set into legislation in 1996. Help us join in the fight to protect the rights we are promised and set a precedent for our neighboring states that we will not lie down or fall to our knees and surrender rather we will go down fighting on our feet!!! Please don't feel like we are asking a lot donate what you can be it $1 or $1000 anything and everything is greatly appreciated https://swipesimple.com/links/lnk_6...riB8Ohx_0X_qs8MpURhHzfC9lBC-Kic4VyHzXyUM
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/17/24 01:03 AM
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Information NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION Mark "David" Anthony Bark River, MI 49855 anthonydave473@gmail.com Appointed: 1/7/22 Term Expires: 12/31/25
Tom Baird, Chair PO Box 837 Elk Rapids, MI 49629 517-290-6647 tombaird51@gmail.com Appointed: 3/25/21 Term Expires: 12/31/24
Robin Michigiizhigookwe Clark Sault Sainte Marie, MI 49783 michigiizhigookwe@gmail.com Appointed: 1/1/24 Term Expires: 12/31/27
David Cozad 2037 Briar Drive Bay City, MI 48706 989-529-1659 Appointed: 3/25/21 Term Expires: 12/31/24
Pete Eardley Grand Rapids, MI 49506 616-970-4664 Appointed: 1/1/24 Term Expires: 12/31/27
David Nyberg Marquette, MI 49855 906-250-6339 Appointed: 10/08/18 Reappointed: 2/2/23 Term Expires: 12/31/26
John W. Walters 600 Silver Pine Circle #8 Gaylord, MI 49735 231-313-0057 john.walters.8ft4wt@gmail.com Appointed: 2/2/23 Term Expires: 12/31/26
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
#8101636
03/17/24 10:28 AM
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Buck (Zandra)
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I was told the Michigan Houndsmen Assoc.was behind this.Not surprised.They always get what they want
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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03/17/24 10:44 AM
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this is big, we need them to follow the law, it's the only thing we have left if they can do this, they can do anything they want, this is coming from the governor's office. Can you please provide a source ref the gov's office..?
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: kytrapper]
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03/17/24 11:12 AM
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BigBlackBirds
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Does Michigan allow thermal night hunting? We have it here, specifically a coyote season but I know fox and cats are being shot too. yes, fox and coyotes. cats not included
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: MChewk]
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03/17/24 11:28 AM
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Buck (Zandra)
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As mentioned, my gut tells me that the hounds men organization does not like the competition that the thermal hunters have put on the coyote population. A picture was put up on one of our associations website and in the picture was a member of the Michigan Houndsmen Assoc.,I don't remember now if he was the president but the caption read he was behind it.They totally screwed our bobcat season to their liking now their playing with the coyote season.Our DNR swears they play no favorites but they always win,and we always lose.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/17/24 12:16 PM
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jeff karsten
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Protect the coyotes eliminate the deer Have more wolves migrate across the straits If your on here you can google it yourselves
olden tyred
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: jalstat]
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03/19/24 09:27 AM
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I thought coyotes were open season everywhere in midwest I see no reason why a coyote should be protected at any time of year, they are impossible to exterminate. Hound hunters and night hunters dont seem to have any respect for the other forms of take, and I can attest to this, and I am an opportunist that doesnt forget a misconduct. And it's alright to exact restitution.....in the absence of witnesses.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/19/24 09:43 AM
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trapper les
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Its a type of war over the use of a resource, lets define it better
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/19/24 10:13 AM
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Back in the late 70's, early 80's the trappers were at war with houndsmen over coons...The nice coon hunters would leave a .22 casing and a pool of blood, the not so nice ones would steal the coon & the trap.
Slide wire drowners were a Godsend back in those days.
"War over use of a resource" is the correct terminology as trapper les stated.
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: trapper les]
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03/19/24 10:30 AM
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I thought coyotes were open season everywhere in midwest I see no reason why a coyote should be protected at any time of year, they are impossible to exterminate. Hound hunters and night hunters dont seem to have any respect for the other forms of take, and I can attest to this, and I am an opportunist that doesnt forget a misconduct. And it's alright to exact restitution.....in the absence of witnesses. Respectfully, This is totally wrong. Please do not bunch all houndsman up. There are a few, there is also a few slob trappers, there are also gun poachers, a few archery poachers. There are also bow groups that press for laws against other groups. These are the cancer of the outdoors. Do not lay this at the feet of the majority of good hunters.
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: trapper les]
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03/19/24 10:34 AM
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I thought coyotes were open season everywhere in midwest I see no reason why a coyote should be protected at any time of year, they are impossible to exterminate. Hound hunters and night hunters dont seem to have any respect for the other forms of take, and I can attest to this, and I am an opportunist that doesnt forget a misconduct. And it's alright to exact restitution.....in the absence of witnesses. Plenty of dog guys chasing around these parts but it’s a free for all war on these things . Biggest problem here is conservation officers writing tickets for uncased guns in vehicle. Heck if your on a field road and shoot out of the truck what does it matter as long as the yote dies
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/19/24 11:23 AM
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I would be looking for the anti in sportsman's clothing selling this idea of not enough to go around or why it shouldn't just be open season year round of coyotes. why they are pushing coyotes needing protection.
I think an anti is dressing up and playing sportsman to further an anti goal.
America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/19/24 01:58 PM
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I was sitting there in a commission meeting when I heard “ it ain’t fair trappers can take as many coon as they want and we ( houndsmen speaking) can just take two. Now, just a short time later “ It ain’t fair hunters can kill all they want. We want the hunting limit back at two”. I believe it was out of the mouth of the same guy. I’m afraid many game decisions are being made in too much of a short term mentality. Who’s sqwauking the loudest. It seems some of the old wisdom and foresight is gone or maybe it never was there and I was to naive to know it. There seems to be one “ sportsmans group” that everyone else is aware of as often being a problem. There are guys that truly love their dogs, the hunt and the sport. What I’ve seen and seem to pop up are the ones that have night hunts and present each other four foot tall trophies for their dogs. First second and third place with just three guys entered.
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/19/24 04:14 PM
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Response from the MUCC regarding the NRC vote MUCC Coyote Closure ResponseMIDNR Memorandum to NRC regarding furbearer regulations February 2024 - coyote hunting issue begins on page 6. MIDNR NRC
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: GWGjr]
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03/19/24 05:13 PM
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Response from the MUCC regarding the NRC vote MUCC Coyote Closure ResponseMIDNR Memorandum to NRC regarding furbearer regulations February 2024 - coyote hunting issue begins on page 6. MIDNR NRCThanks I had seen their response. Just wondered if there was anything else
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: BigBlackBirds]
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03/19/24 05:28 PM
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Given that we are hearing the updated hunting closure dates of April thru July it does suggest that the hound association potentially impacted this position given that those dates specifically correspond to Michigan leash law dates. And there has been animosity between the hound association and trappers association as far back as I recall (and predator callers got thrown into the michigan trappers association along the way). But I still would like to know the facts of where this came to be rather than just speculation given that the council is suppose to manage based on science rather than just who is yelling the loudest. Does anyone know who and what was presented at the NRC meeting last week along lines of scientific data?
But it is funny to hear everyone from other places comment on coyote populations here
I hope you understand it's because we can relate to state shenanigans involving dog groups, especially in Kentucky because it has been so prevalent. This really isn't just a Michigan issue, because eventually it will bleed into other states with time. Spent my late teenage years living & hunting in the Mitten, so not completely in the dark on things there...I'm going to contribute to the Michigan Trappers & Predator Callers organization war chest because coyote hunting is a big deal to a lot of us.
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/19/24 05:40 PM
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Gotcha, yep same here...We're on the same page....It does get old!
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/19/24 06:11 PM
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Here in VT we are having the same battle. They just passed a Bill s258 out of the Senate and looking like it will go to the Senate for a vote. This Bill will completely change our F&W board to allow anti hunting/trapping people on the board, will end Trapping and hound hunting coyote. Probably will end bear hound hunting next. Democrats have the majority in both house and senate. If we could only get people to vote! The only way we can change the environment right now is to get people to vote the democrats out of office. The anti's are well organized. One of the anti;s moved here a year ago i think from Wyoming his name is Rod Coronado and has a YouTube channel called Wolf Patrol. He has sunk whaling ships and blown up a mink research building in Michigan. He's spent something like 3 years in jail for some of his terrorist acts. I hope you guys can bring yourselves together to fit these people. I don't think there's anything we can do here but wait and see if this Bill goes to the floor for a vote. Good luck guys.
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: BigBlackBirds]
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03/19/24 08:24 PM
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Buck (Zandra)
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Given that we are hearing the updated hunting closure dates of April thru July it does suggest that the hound association potentially impacted this position given that those dates specifically correspond to Michigan leash law dates. And there has been animosity between the hound association and trappers association as far back as I recall (and predator callers got thrown into the michigan trappers association along the way). But I still would like to know the facts of where this came to be rather than just speculation given that the council is suppose to manage based on science rather than just who is yelling the loudest. Does anyone know who and what was presented at the NRC meeting last week along lines of scientific data?
But it is funny to hear everyone from other places comment on coyote populations here
You're looking for a scientific reason from a dept.that now interprets wildlife management as social science?
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: vermontster]
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03/20/24 07:24 AM
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Here in VT we are having the same battle. They just passed a Bill s258 out of the Senate and looking like it will go to the Senate for a vote. This Bill will completely change our F&W board to allow anti hunting/trapping people on the board, will end Trapping and hound hunting coyote. Probably will end bear hound hunting next. Democrats have the majority in both house and senate. If we could only get people to vote! The only way we can change the environment right now is to get people to vote the democrats out of office. The anti's are well organized. One of the anti;s moved here a year ago i think from Wyoming his name is Rod Coronado and has a YouTube channel called Wolf Patrol. He has sunk whaling ships and blown up a mink research building in Michigan. He's spent something like 3 years in jail for some of his terrorist acts. I hope you guys can bring yourselves together to fit these people. I don't think there's anything we can do here but wait and see if this Bill goes to the floor for a vote. Good luck guys. When I think of Vermont I think of fisher. Drove through there a few years back and it and New Hampshire were beautiful. It’s a shame that anywhere in the nation wildlife management is being decided by no nothing and no common sense politicians. When I look through old trapping and hunting publications I’m saddened to see places that have been “ lawed” out of existence. Those old pics of outdoorsmen with catches and large smiles are disappearing everywhere it seems. But, like you allude to. The problem is who’s being voted in some of these states making the anti decisions.
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: jalstat]
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03/20/24 10:12 AM
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Plenty of dog guys chasing around these parts but it’s a free for all war on these things . Biggest problem here is conservation officers writing tickets for uncased guns in vehicle. Heck if your on a field road and shoot out of the truck what does it matter as long as the yote dies [/quote]
The problem I have with one fella is he sees my snare bait attraction way out on private land, and thinks he's got the right to walk in and look around where I am working. He knows I'll eventually corner him somewhere that he cant get away.
Another fellow, probably too old now to hound hunt, went around on the opener of cat season, and walked in on different cat trappers sets, looking for a cat track for his dogs, and admitted that to me. I felt that was unethical, so I threatened him in a couple of ways.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: trapper les]
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03/20/24 10:24 AM
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Plenty of dog guys chasing around these parts but it’s a free for all war on these things . Biggest problem here is conservation officers writing tickets for uncased guns in vehicle. Heck if your on a field road and shoot out of the truck what does it matter as long as the yote dies
The problem I have with one fella is he sees my snare bait attraction way out on private land, and thinks he's got the right to walk in and look around where I am working. He knows I'll eventually corner him somewhere that he cant get away. Another fellow, probably too old now to hound hunt, went around on the opener of cat season, and walked in on different cat trappers sets, looking for a cat track for his dogs, and admitted that to me. I felt that was unethical, so I threatened him in a couple of ways. [/quote] You threatened an idiot , slob and a cheat, Not a houndsman.
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/20/24 10:28 AM
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trapper les
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Very possible, and he didnt take it very well.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Michigan coyote season fight
[Re: TravC]
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03/20/24 03:18 PM
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jeff karsten
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Since most on here have the same issue but ask for answers to their own question In MICHIGAN the Governor appoints the head of the DNR and the 7 member NRC are also appointed by the Governor That in a way is science
olden tyred
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