Define The People
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Re: Define The People
[Re: loosegoose]
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If you believe that rights are granted by God, then you should agree that all people have a right to defend themselves from violence....unless you believe that God only grants that right to Americans? We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights and among them are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
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Re: Define The People
[Re: warrior]
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Yup all are CREATED equal, your personal use of free will can create an imbalance of equality. Commit a felony and you've chosen to give up certain rights that were endowed to you upon birth. Not sure illegal entry is a felony but it should be.
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Re: Define The People
[Re: humptulips]
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03/19/24 01:07 PM
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The Constitution does not give you the right to bear arms. It bars the Government from taking away that right so it follows that everyone has that right, even non-citizens. Yes, you can lose certain rights if you commit a crime but it must be upon conviction. I don't believe that everyone is protected under The Constitution. I believe the constitution only fully and completely protects the legal citizens of the USA. If you have evidence that says it fully and completely applies to everyone I'd be interested in seeing it.
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Re: Define The People
[Re: humptulips]
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Illegal entry into the United States is a Felony.When you commit a Felony,,,even if you ARE a citizen,,you forfeited your right to own a firearm.Prety simple.Your welcome. Upon conviction, otherwise who decides when a person has committed a felony. Long term consequences if we let the Administrative State decide when a person becomes a felon. Illegal entry is an AUTOMATIC Felony.No conviction needed.You don't seem to understand that.A CITIZEN needs a conviction to be proved a Felon.NOT an illegal non citizen.Being an illegal non citizen IS proof your a Felon.Your welcome.
Last edited by upstateNY; 03/19/24 01:15 PM.
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Re: Define The People
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Illegal entry into the United States is a Felony.When you commit a Felony,,,even if you ARE a citizen,,you forfeited your right to own a firearm.Prety simple.Your welcome. Felons shouldn't be banned from owning guns after their sentences are complete though, so..........
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Re: Define The People
[Re: loosegoose]
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Illegal entry into the United States is a Felony.When you commit a Felony,,,even if you ARE a citizen,,you forfeited your right to own a firearm.Prety simple.Your welcome. Felons shouldn't be banned from owning guns after their sentences are complete though, so.......... That's your opinion,,,not what the law states.If you don't like a law,,work to get it changed.
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Re: Define The People
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03/19/24 01:35 PM
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The Constitution is a social contract for American citizens. Other countries have their own social contracts with their citizens. Agree, citizens only, illegas should be at the mercy of citizens.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Define The People
[Re: warrior]
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03/19/24 01:37 PM
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"We the People" are legal citizens of the U.S.A.
Illegals are instant felons (after obtaining a firearm) as mentioned above, disqualifying them from the 2nd amendment...This should be a no brainer.
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Re: Define The People
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The Constitution does not give you the right to bear arms. It bars the Government from taking away that right so it follows that everyone has that right, even non-citizens. Yes, you can lose certain rights if you commit a crime but it must be upon conviction. I don't believe that everyone is protected under The Constitution. I believe the constitution only fully and completely protects the legal citizens of the USA. If you have evidence that says it fully and completely applies to everyone I'd be interested in seeing it. That goes back to the original post and how you define "the people". I'll place my stance on the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
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