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Fur friendly bullet 22-250 #8129405
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Looking for a coyote 62 gr or heavier for 22-250 velocities for hand loads.

Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8129425
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Why 62 gr. Or heavier? The 1365 Sierra 55 gr. Iz fur friendly or the Sierra match hollow points both put quarter size exits if you hit right.

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Originally Posted by Oakey
Why 62 gr. Or heavier? The 1365 Sierra 55 gr. Iz fur friendly or the Sierra match hollow points both put quarter size exits if you hit right.

The rifle has a 1/9 twist. If the lighter bullets will shoot well with this fast twist rate , It will be welcomed! Im a big Sierra fan too! Great news

Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8129481
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Would a FMJ be a good option?


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Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8129483
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Ive shoot Nosler 50 gr ballistic tips in an 8 twist and they shoot real well.



Why fur friendly? Given the market.

Because most heavy .22 cal bullets are not, and terminal performance is iffy anyway since most are heavier jacketed match type construction.

I’ve shot a pile with the 77 grain Nosler CCs. I bet half of them go 50 yards before piling up. Some significantly further. Not ideal.

That being said, IF I was to be looking for a heavy .22 bullet with good terminal characteristics for coyotes, I’d be looking very very hard at the 73 and 75 grain Hornady ELD-Ms. If they’re anything like the 6mm versions, they’ll have phenomenal terminal performance.

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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Ive shoot Nosler 50 gr ballistic tips in an 8 twist and they shoot real well.



Why fur friendly? Given the market.

Because most heavy .22 cal bullets are not, and terminal performance is iffy anyway since most are heavier jacketed match type construction.

I’ve shot a pile with the 77 grain Nosler CCs. I bet half of them go 50 yards before piling up. Some significantly further. Not ideal.

That being said, IF I was to be looking for a heavy .22 bullet with good terminal characteristics for coyotes, I’d be looking very very hard at the 73 and 75 grain Hornady ELD-Ms. If they’re anything like the 6mm versions, they’ll have phenomenal terminal performance.

Information is for my brother who is now a resident of Wyoming. Wants to shoot,trap and put up fur! I’ll give him a heads up on all the recommendations! Thanks!

Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8129553
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I've been shooting Sierra 55s for years. They anchor coyotes from any angle and have proven to be a great accurate fur saving bullet.


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Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8129611
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Originally Posted by Miley
Originally Posted by Oakey
Why 62 gr. Or heavier? The 1365 Sierra 55 gr. Iz fur friendly or the Sierra match hollow points both put quarter size exits if you hit right.

The rifle has a 1/9 twist. If the lighter bullets will shoot well with this fast twist rate , It will be welcomed! Im a big Sierra fan too! Great news



50s, 52s, 53s and 55s should all shoot well with a 1:9 twist. He may even be able to get the Winchester 45gn HP white box ammo to perform.


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Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8129933
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Originally Posted by Miley
Originally Posted by Oakey
Why 62 gr. Or heavier? The 1365 Sierra 55 gr. Iz fur friendly or the Sierra match hollow points both put quarter size exits if you hit right.

The rifle has a 1/9 twist. If the lighter bullets will shoot well with this fast twist rate , It will be welcomed! Im a big Sierra fan too! Great news

it will shoot the lightweights fine, over stabilization is a myth. My 8 twist 223 will shoot 55's as well as the heavies

Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8130006
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Personally I’d go with a 40 grain hollow point and load down to around 3000 fps.


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Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8130012
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I use 62g ballistic tips and benchmark for clean skinning....


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Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8130065
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I did well with 55 gr nozler, I think 50 gr would work as good or better

Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8130069
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22-250 fur friendly? Don't go in the same sentence. UNLESS you shoot cast bullets. MIGHT I say MIGHT only have to sew half of them. Lot of mentioned bullets will shoot well ,but not blowing a hole under 150 yards good luck.

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I’ve found in calling dogs that the bullet weight does not matter as much as if it is a solid type

When using any thing else at whatever weight, without regard to bullet placement
You should know how to sew !!

One other thing I keep reading from this forum is that dogs are not worth anything so it
does not matter, while it is true they are not producing high returns to most they are
always worth something to me as a producer of products using them.

But what is worse is that this statement can be used by others as an example by some
Nefarious people against people who do use the fur, but place a lesser value on the animal
because of their choice of words in wanting to hunt them ! We should always be prepared for
our words to show that taking game is in a positive way, even if one feels the value does not
meet their particular desire !!


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Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8130133
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Fur friendly is influenced by speed as well. The Jbird and cat bird necked down 6 mm and 243 to 22 shooting the same fur friendly solid bullet at 4,300 fps is rarely fur friendly. I always loaded my 22-250 at the slowest fps that gave best accuracy and that is more fur friendly. Same reason a 222 is more fur friendly and 22 hornet even more so. Now a 35 gr. Vmax out of a 22 hornet while knocking a 100 lbs wolf stone dead will kill a coyote with zero damage but good luck past 200 yards. Never use a full metal case on a coyote as you will be lucky to find it I shot many red fox with 80 gr fmj out of my 243 with no fur damage as long as no bone hit but had to finish almost all of them off with 22 pistol which luckily I was a fantastic shot with.

Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: jbyrd63] #8130145
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
22-250 fur friendly? Don't go in the same sentence. UNLESS you shoot cast bullets. MIGHT I say MIGHT only have to sew half of them. Lot of mentioned bullets will shoot well ,but not blowing a hole under 150 yards good luck.



Shot a lot of coyotes Byrd? laugh
I've shot a few hundred ( yeah, I know) whistle with my 250s and if what I shoot blew them up, I wouldn't be using them.

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I've shot plenty as well, and there is a wide difference amongst dog hunters about what is damage and is not , LOL, mostly from those who don't sew regularly or not at all, sometimes looks will decide for many that it's not worth bringing home
but thats sometimes not the case at all, one should really look them over, after a few blow throughs you don't need to look very closely any longer LOL

Solids, medium distance, 100 to 300 yd's or more and bullet placement all work to keep the sewing down, really depends on the shooter being able to hit on placement which is more difficult at longer ranges !

However when taking them for culling I understand that all is out the window when the time is right !


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Re: Fur friendly bullet 22-250 [Re: Miley] #8130254
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GritGuy. I know MANY serious coyote hunters and there ain't ONE single one that shoot solids!!
Anyone that is serious about killing and putting up fur ( coyotes) would gladly put a few stitches in an exit hole and drop them in the spot then have to have to chase them 1/2 mile and have to put another round in them.

Hmm, perhaps we should all go with Byrds advice. Yanno, use cast bullets. laugh

Question is, flat nose, semi_spitzer, boattail, lol.
Great


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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
22-250 fur friendly? Don't go in the same sentence. UNLESS you shoot cast bullets. MIGHT I say MIGHT only have to sew half of them. Lot of mentioned bullets will shoot well ,but not blowing a hole under 150 yards good luck.

When I think of cast bullets , I imagine some buffalo hunters sitting around the campfire preparing for the next days hunt . Put up a few coyotes that were shot and from what I've seen bullet choice and where shot and if running or standing makes a big difference in damage regardless of caliber . Been some good advice from some good yote killer's on here . But cast bullets wouldn't be my first choice

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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
22-250 fur friendly? Don't go in the same sentence. UNLESS you shoot cast bullets. MIGHT I say MIGHT only have to sew half of them. Lot of mentioned bullets will shoot well ,but not blowing a hole under 150 yards good luck.

Hey Wolfie. Can / will you put this great post/ info in the Archives??

So much valuable info that should be shared for years to come. laugh

Byrd, would you kindly post a link on where you get your molds from to make the cast bullets?
Thanks.


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