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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8132970
05/03/24 07:01 PM
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Must not teach math and comprehension in Michigan either. wink Wi is way more than double the size of WV so double the population isn’t even keeping up. We have lots of deer in WI, but the DNR is not responsible. We would have lots less if it was up to them.

Maybe we need to explore bear. WV harvested 2800+ bears last year while WI only harvested 2900+. Numbers don’t appear to be working in WI favor for bear either.

All that said, twenty some bucks for a deer license to shoot the queen’s deer is cheap. Especially when I can shoot three with it.

Last edited by WIMarshRAT; 05/03/24 07:05 PM.

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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: WIMarshRAT] #8132983
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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT
Must not teach math and comprehension in Michigan either. wink Wi is way more than double the size of WV so double the population isn’t even keeping up. We have lots of deer in WI, but the DNR is not responsible. We would have lots less if it was up to them.

Maybe we need to explore bear. WV harvested 2800+ bears last year while WI only harvested 2900+. Numbers don’t appear to be working in WI favor for bear either.

All that said, twenty some bucks for a deer license to shoot the queen’s deer is cheap. Especially when I can shoot three with it.


Nothing was mentioned about density, just population Lol. I dont think you can compare bear numbers harvested...if Im not mistaken,, bear licenses in WV are over the counter, in fact, not sure you even need a licence if you hunt them on your property. If Wisconsin was over the counter, or no licence needed to hunt your own land, Im fairly confident that Wisconsin would dwarf them numbers as well.
Im not defending your DNR, but sometimes folks make some pretty silly statements in their attempts to make a point. Sounds like some Wisconsin folks should move to WV since things are so great. crazy

Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8133014
05/03/24 08:30 PM
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This sounds like the liberals that move to a conservative state and are upset they don’t act liberal.

Fire is a great tool for wildlife. Yes we have burned up at least one nest that I know of.
Yes hens will renest.
Studies have shown that landscape that is on a fire rotation that the hens will nest the following year in what was burned the previous year. So, you end up with a lower number of destroyed nest.
Studies also show that hens will nest if the “greener” areas which aren’t subject to burning anyways.
I have seen poults bigger than chickens in June and some the size of juvenile quail on the same day.
Some areas that are burned later in the year generally have a lot of leafy green vegetation that needs killed. The only way to kill it is to burn it once it leafs out.
If you’re worried about the wildlife, buy a license and don’t harvest any. Or better yet, go talk to them and show them your qualifications of scientific studies and proof and see if they’ll listen.

Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8133027
05/03/24 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by randall brannon
we do not have near the Farmland that Wisconsin does but we have better practices than burning during a nesting season.

This is an incorrect statement. All of the local Rx burns this year were the first two weeks of April which is during the nesting season. It is this time every year give or take a week depending on weather.

Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8133029
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I can tell ya we see a lot of little turkeys in Northern Wisconsin in late July/ August....I always figured it was a second batch just because, or weather related wiped out the first batch?


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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8133102
05/03/24 10:00 PM
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We have had little sky carp for over a couple weeks, but we also don’t have to worry about them burning here as we lack the habitat. Pictures show the size difference. There was four different families in the storm water retention pond.

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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8133103
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Me thinks... RB will find anything negative in what he posts.. wink


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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: bucksnbears] #8133156
05/03/24 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Me thinks... RB will find anything negative in what he posts.. wink

Some people find negatives in anything, and think they know everything.

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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8133308
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Just like clear cutting it looks terrible but is vital to maximizing growth, mature trees feed very little wildlife but people just see the mess. It will feed a lot of wildlife and provide cover before thinning itself out in time but most folks don’t look that far ahead.

I think of the time I helped a buddy cut up hackberry trees in town years back people would drive by complaining doing the SJW thing. If they would of asked or looked closer they would have noticed the sidewalks were buckled causing trip hazards and the trees centers were rotted both a hazard to church goers. People being people.


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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: JTfromWV] #8135328
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Originally Posted by JTfromWV
Originally Posted by randall brannon
we do not have near the Farmland that Wisconsin does but we have better practices than burning during a nesting season.

This is an incorrect statement. All of the local Rx burns this year were the first two weeks of April which is during the nesting season. It is this time every year give or take a week depending on weather.

HA HA HA!! WV does Burns???? HA HA HA!!!


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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: tlguy] #8135377
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DanN, be glad your state is investing in natural resources by raising license prices. Wisconsin resident prices have been mostly stagnant for 25 years and the DNR is going broke. Hard to attract and retain top talent with no money.

The DNR is going broke?


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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8135408
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"The Wisconsin DNR says the state’s fish and wildlife account is approaching a deficit. This is due to a number of different reasons.

The account is approaching a $16 million deficit by the year 2026, this funds 20% of the department workforce which is about 500 positions.

“The account is the primary funding source for a couple of pretty visible programs in the DNR, you got your fisheries management program, your wildlife management program, and your law enforcement program,” said Paul Neumann the Budget and Policy Section Chief of the Wisconsin DNR."


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Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8135430
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Originally Posted by randall brannon
Originally Posted by JTfromWV

This is an incorrect statement. All of the local Rx burns this year were the first two weeks of April which is during the nesting season. It is this time every year give or take a week depending on weather.

HA HA HA!! WV does Burns???? HA HA HA!!!

Yes they have prescribed burns most years on both the George Washington National Forest and the Monongahela National Forest in WV. It is part of the USFS management plan for the forests.

Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: DanN] #8135627
05/07/24 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DanN
Anything the DNR gets their hands on they screw up. Ever increasing liscence fees and we have less game and fish than 20-30 years ago here. 30 years ago in this area there was and abundance of quail, pheasant, rabbits, and doves - not anymore. The smaller waterways were full of fish, mussels, large frogs, crayfish, turtles,ducks and muskrat - these are now nowhere near as plentiful as the used to be and every year there seems to be less sign of them - some places they are all but gone. The DNR is failing here.

What has the IDNR done to cause the population of quail, pheasants, rabbits, doves, crayfish, frogs, ducks, muskrats, turtles, fish, mussels to decrease? I believe the IDNR has caused the deer population to fall in Indiana, especially in certain parts of the state with liberal doe tags(thank God they have slacked off on that), but the other critters you listed losing wildlife habitat is the biggest cause in our state for the decline in wildlife populations. The IDNR can't stop shopping malls and subdivisions from being built and farmers taking out fence rows to get another row of corn in the ground,

Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: blackoak] #8140740
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Originally Posted by blackoak
Originally Posted by DanN
Anything the DNR gets their hands on they screw up. Ever increasing liscence fees and we have less game and fish than 20-30 years ago here. 30 years ago in this area there was and abundance of quail, pheasant, rabbits, and doves - not anymore. The smaller waterways were full of fish, mussels, large frogs, crayfish, turtles,ducks and muskrat - these are now nowhere near as plentiful as the used to be and every year there seems to be less sign of them - some places they are all but gone. The DNR is failing here.

What has the IDNR done to cause the population of quail, pheasants, rabbits, doves, crayfish, frogs, ducks, muskrats, turtles, fish, mussels to decrease? I believe the IDNR has caused the deer population to fall in Indiana, especially in certain parts of the state with liberal doe tags(thank God they have slacked off on that), but the other critters you listed losing wildlife habitat is the biggest cause in our state for the decline in wildlife populations. The IDNR can't stop shopping malls and subdivisions from being built and farmers taking out fence rows to get another row of corn in the ground,

I wonder what Dan's answer is

Re: WI Biologists do it again [Re: randall brannon] #8140749
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I remember a few years ago here. The DNR did a little controlled burn and they ended up burning thousands of acres and a few people’s homes and they tried blaming it on a local farmer. I’m a big fan of controlled burns for regrowth but the DNR has very little competence and understanding of how to manage land imo. All the state land we got around here has buckthorn/ cattails/ and sumac… so much of it you can’t even walk through the god forsaken stuff


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