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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136639
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When we live by our own code which has been instilled into us by the time we are only 3 or 4 yrs old. Then if our parents are cannibals then we have been taught eating our neighbor is ok and our conscience does not say its wrong. Its when we are struck down on the road, so to speak and those 10 commandments cut us and gives us a new outlook upward and hopefully a new birth. We have a new deputy in town as watchmen over our soul and the new man no longer wants to eat his neighbor.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136644
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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136646
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
But, does man determine what's a just law for him and his fellow man to follow?

It seems to me the government was kind of arbitrary on who they decided to let meet and who not during the COVID lockdown. Churches weren't allowed while some groups of protestors were. That's a perfect example of when to tell the government to stuff it.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Foxpaw] #8136647
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
When we live by our own code which has been instilled into us by the time we are only 3 or 4 yrs old. Then if our parents are cannibals then we have been taught eating our neighbor is ok and our conscience does not say its wrong. Its when we are struck down on the road, so to speak and those 10 commandments cut us and gives us a new outlook upward and hopefully a new birth. We have a new deputy in town as watchmen over our soul and the new man no longer wants to eat his neighbor.


Although if you were feasting on your neighbor surely you would keep him fed and healthy up until, essentially following the law.


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Posco] #8136652
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
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Doesn’t actually say God’s punishment. One would expect to be punished for breaking man’s law.

Where are the folks that would tell us what it is supposed to say by not saying it?

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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136654
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I’ve read that verse and struggle with this too. No great input as I’ve been wrestling with it lately about how that applies. We know what to do when the law conflicts with loving God or loving your neighbor, but I’m not sure how to reconcile fully.

An example for me that applies to our game laws even though I’m not much of an outlaw. I can legally kill 12 deer on a 5 acre property or smaller. But if I were to take one buck off of 3 properties I would be illegal. From a management standpoint it doesn’t make sense to me, but I also realize that the wardens could never keep up with or enforce anything if it was broken down to the individual level.

I guess I normally look at the intent of the law and work off of that more than anything.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136656
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
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So if your government was exterminating Jews and it was the law for you to turn them in and you don't turn one over to them but hide him, then wouldn't that be pleasing to God ?
How did Haman's grand plan work for him?

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136659
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
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During WWll Japanese, Italian and German citizens were obeying their government.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136664
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I found a pretty good explanation of Romans 13:1-2

https://thebiblesays.com/commentary/rom/rom-13/romans-131-2/


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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136676
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Wasn’t there a trial of some guy who refused to buy a hunting license? I’ll have to find it. They found him not guilty. He lived off the grid and hunted only out of necessity to feed himself . His every answer to questioning was “I am a living man”

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136679
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Look up Romans 13 1&2 KJV this may answer some questions.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136680
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My bad I was typing y'all was posting .

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: elsmasho82] #8136707
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Originally Posted by elsmasho82
Wasn’t there a trial of some guy who refused to buy a hunting license? I’ll have to find it. They found him not guilty. He lived off the grid and hunted only out of necessity to feed himself . His every answer to questioning was “I am a living man”

Back years ago I got hauled into the sheriffs office one night for coon hunting on my own land with no license. The law was I had to live on the property in order for me to hunt on it without a license. Where I was hunting was not adjoined to where I lived. They took me to sheriffs office because my billfold was stolen three days earlier and I had no ID. When we got there the sheriff told them I had filed a burglary report a couple days ago. So they gave me a ticket and in the process I decided I wasn't paying it even tho it was the law that I couldn't hunt on my own land. In those days I had more money than sense so I went to court. After sitting in court 2 hours looking at the GW eye to eye, then my turn came up and the DA said case dismissed.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136708
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
If you willfully and knowingly violate the laws of man (specifically game and fish law) are you committing a sin in the eyes of God?

I've read a few related verses in Romans and have my interpretation.

Your opinions?

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You posted vses 1-2 and you say I've read a few related verses.
It easy to take things out of context without the whole picture. Go on reading. [Linked Image]
Vs 3 not a teror to good works, but to the evil.
Paul was saying that the ordinance was for good works not evil.
( wilt though be afraid of the power?) God does not give us the spirit of fear. )
Sometimes you have make a judgment call. If someone intentionally breaks a law because they just disagree or it's for personal gain, not meaning self preservation. Then they are in the wrong.
( do that wich is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same.) So in Wyoming it is illegal to pick up a road killed deer.even if you hit it. But you can be ticketed for not taking the portion of a dear you harvested acording to the code. You asked for an example of an unjust law.
This is one of many. I think it's an evil discusting waist to forse peaple to leave edible portions of road killed deer to rot . What's just about that law.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136713
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
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I sincerely hope that God did not give us this government. Yikes..

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136729
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Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136733
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As far as game laws go, if you can show one that violates any of God's commands, I would say it would be null and void for a believer. Just because I want to kill 1 buck too many, or keep 2 bass over the limit, isn't a reason to violate the laws.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136746
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Not a wildlife law, but if the speed limit is 55mph and you intentionally drive 60...what about that?

That's not a crime. It's a moving violation.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8136762
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GW's should be afforded more discretion.

Re: The Laws of Man? [Re: WI Outdoors] #8136767
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Originally Posted by Mando
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Not a wildlife law, but if the speed limit is 55mph and you intentionally drive 60...what about that?

That's not a crime. It's a moving violation.

Speeding is a violation of a law code.


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