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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8144698
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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: Savell] #8144746
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Originally Posted by Savell
Yessir… this mine at 150 off truck hood…. Not sure what the moa is ?

Nice group for an iron sighted 30-30.

MOA is Minute Of Angle. A circle is divided into 360 degrees. Each degree is then further divided 60 times into minutes.
1/60th of a degree=one MINUTE OF ANGLE, or, 1 MOA.
1 MOA at 100 yards= 1.04"
2 MOA at 100 yards =2.08" etc.................

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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8144773
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I've seen the manbun thing online.
How did this originate?
Is the 6CM a teenbun and the 22CM
a girlbun?
If so I want one just to stir up the pros lol.

Ya got to admit, this stuff was fun back in the day
and is fun now.
Keep your arrows sharp.





Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8144873
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The Winchester 94 is very comfortable to shoot, and the older ones have very smooth actions. The top eject makes them difficult to mount a scope on, but then you don't really need a scope at 30-30 ranges. The 94 action is also a weak action that you can damage with overly hot handloads. The Marlin eliminates both of those problems with a stronger action and side eject, at the cost of a little rougher feeling action and a slightly thicker rifle (which could potentially bug you if used as a saddle rifle in a scabbard under your leg). Either make excellent short range bear or deer rifles with minimal recoil and fast followup shots.

I've got a Savage 99 in 308, longer range and more accurate than your traditional 30-30s, slightly heavier, longer overall length than 30-30 carbine, and more recoil. Also most of them have the safety on the right side of the lever, making it difficult to use for a left handed shooter. (They did make a model with a top safety, but it is much rarer).

My favorite lever gun is a Marlin Guide Gun in 45/70, very short and handy to pack through the brush and light, fairly light recoil (unless you need to prove your manhood by using Buffalo Bore bullets or overly hot handloads) and plenty of close range punch. Also mine is stainless, while you can get that option in some 30-30s it isn't as common and wasn't available in the Savage 99s.

Posco, if that 32 is too much of a pain to get ammo for, I'll take it off your hands. smile I love those old 32s.

Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8144878
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I wouldn't recommend the model 94 in 45 long colt unless you absolutely want an old style lever that shoots the same ammo as your six shooter (and don't want to spend your lottery winnings on rifle and sidearm in 44-40). I know two people who have damaged that action so that it was unfunctionable without a trip to the gunsmith. One by shooting handloads he had loaded for his Ruger Vaquero (not a handgun known for being overly beefy) and the other because the factory ammo he had wasn't crimped well enough and the very mild recoil of a 45 lc caused the bullets in the tube magazine to be pushed farther back into the brass, raising pressures. That being said, while it is a fairly anemic round, I've had a guy shoot a couple of bears with it and it killed them just fine.

If you want really hard hitting combo cartridge for a lever gun/sixshooter combo, Rossi made a lever gun in 454 Casull, or you can go for the gold and Freedom Arms made their BFR (Biggest, Finest, Revolver... or insert whatever other words you like that fit the acronym) in 45/70.

Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8144883
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A buddy of mine shot a lot of moose with a lever 38-55.


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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: bearcat2] #8144899
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Originally Posted by bearcat2
I wouldn't recommend the model 94 in 45 long colt unless you absolutely want an old style lever that shoots the same ammo as your six shooter (and don't want to spend your lottery winnings on rifle and sidearm in 44-40). I know two people who have damaged that action so that it was unfunctionable without a trip to the gunsmith. One by shooting handloads he had loaded for his Ruger Vaquero (not a handgun known for being overly beefy) and the other because the factory ammo he had wasn't crimped well enough and the very mild recoil of a 45 lc caused the bullets in the tube magazine to be pushed farther back into the brass, raising pressures. That being said, while it is a fairly anemic round, I've had a guy shoot a couple of bears with it and it killed them just fine.

If you want really hard hitting combo cartridge for a lever gun/sixshooter combo, Rossi made a lever gun in 454 Casull, or you can go for the gold and Freedom Arms made their BFR (Biggest, Finest, Revolver... or insert whatever other words you like that fit the acronym) in 45/70.


The 94 wasn't designed for short pistol cartridges either so they can have feeding issues as well. The 92 is the one you want for pistol length and it's an inherently strong design being a scaled down 86.


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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8144925
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Posco, pull the aperture out of the base and put a firesite bead up front, fast, still accurate, and you can see the bead till it's near dark....I can't even remember where my apertures are, lol

Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8144951
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Best brush gun imo. It's a hog thumper. There's no free lunch. A close proximity firearm will not perform at long ranges, and a high power rifle will create tremendous damage at close range. 7mm 08 is a good middle of the road gun. 6.5x39 is a good one too.

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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8144960
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I guy maned Charley publish a book called " The broad side of a barn"..... Prerty much me with a 30 30.....The Trigger,,,,Must be something about how hard it is and getting it off at the right moment
Sorry Mr. John Wayne.....


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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: gcs] #8144974
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Originally Posted by gcs
Posco, pull the aperture out of the base and put a firesite bead up front, fast, still accurate, and you can see the bead till it's near dark....I can't even remember where my apertures are, lol

I have a pretty good field of view through it as-is at thirty to forty yards and picking up a target isn't really a problem. I bought the gun for tracking deer on snow. I don't know if I'll be further ahead with the dark bead under those conditions.

It's almost the ideal gun for what I intend to use it for. Light, quick and adequate. I'm tired of carrying an eight pound scoped rifle through the woods.

Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8145123
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if your looking for a long range hunting gun it isn't one

1895-1995 it was a mid range mid power gun that was powerful enough for most game , but not for long range

since most deer and hogs are taken at <125 yards not really an issue if that is the environment you are in

the Marlin 336 and Win 94 were very adorable , easy to carry , decent capacity , rapid follow up shot rifles , in 1895 is was a mid range mid power gun that held a lot of ammo for the time.

affordability plays a lot into popularity

looking at adds from the 1960s a M94 was almost half the price of a Rem model 14 pump action or bolt and even more less than a semi auto.

in a lot of ways the 30-30 lever gun was the ranch rifle for a hundred or so years now the AR-15 platform has taken much of it's place

light , easy to work on , carries a decent amount of ammo , quick follow up shots , cost down due to mass production and use in GWOT , parts interchangeability , not much recoil , mid power cartridge , ammo plentiful and available

even if it isn't an actual AR-15 look at all the bolt guns using STANAG mags.





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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8145148
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It doesn't seem like all that long ago when you could view dozens of Model 94s on gun store racks. You could buy them all day long for $250-300. Now you can't find them and if you do you're looking at parting with the better part of a grand.

Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8145195
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30-30 is still popular after more than a century cause it still works. 94 prices keep going up cause its classic americana


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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8145199
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lots better squirrel rifles than a muzzle loading flintlock but still just flat out fun to hunt with. and still have a loyal following. in heavy cover an old open sighted lever action 30-30 is fun too. and far from inadequate.


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Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: snowy] #8145318
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Shots less than 100-150 a 30-30 is a more than adequate rifle for deer. At closer distances and 170gr bullets I don't see why it couldn't take down any north american big game animal. Truthfully I bet it already has!

Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: Posco] #8145332
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Originally Posted by Posco
It doesn't seem like all that long ago when you could view dozens of Model 94s on gun store racks. You could buy them all day long for $250-300. Now you can't find them and if you do you're looking at parting with the better part of a grand.


I was in high school, cutting wood to sell on weekends, making my own money. They had a sale at K Mart, you could buy either a Marlin or Winchester 30-30 for 75 dollars. I bought the Marlin. First new rifle I had owned.

Re: 30-30 pros-cons [Re: Osagan] #8145334
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Originally Posted by Posco
It doesn't seem like all that long ago when you could view dozens of Model 94s on gun store racks. You could buy them all day long for $250-300. Now you can't find them and if you do you're looking at parting with the better part of a grand.


I was in high school, cutting wood to sell on weekends, making my own money. They had a sale at K Mart, you could buy either a Marlin or Winchester 30-30 for 75 dollars. I bought the Marlin. First new rifle I had owned.


what was the year and what did a cord of firewood sell for?


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1969. Selling for 25 dollars a cord. I could haul a 1/2 a cord at a time in dad's old 62 1/2 ton Chevrolet pickup and had a decent Sears chainsaw. Took me two trips, unless they wanted just a half cord. Split oak.
The wood was free for me to cut from a neighbor who wanted the land clear and he liked me. I had money coming out of my ears.

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Originally Posted by Osagan
1969. Selling for 25 dollars a cord. I could haul a 1/2 a cord at a time in dad's old 62 1/2 ton Chevrolet pickup and had a decent Sears chainsaw. Took me two trips, unless they wanted just a half cord. Split oak.
The wood was free for me to cut from a neighbor who wanted the land clear and he liked me. I had money coming out of my ears.


interesting that 3 cord of wood will still buy you a lever gun or very close to it


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