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Re: Christians - Gap Theory? [Re: sportsman94] #8150981
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Is 6,000 years enough time for entire populations to have thrived, died, been forgotten, to have lost technologies, and for almost everything of their existence to have disappeared? 6,000 sure doesn't seem very long when you think of it like that does it?

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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Is 6,000 years enough time for entire populations to have thrived, died, been forgotten, to have lost technologies, and for almost everything of their existence to have disappeared? 6,000 sure doesn't seem very long when you think of it like that does it?


You are right, its unbelievable. God put one tree in the garden and told Adam to leave it alone. The new earther's seem to think God made the oil, coal and fossils and hid them to cause man to unbelieve when he finds them. I can see their point in trying to squeeze down the time line to rule out evolution, but in the their attempt to do so they aren't addressing the fact that things can't evolve from nothing and thus denying a creator and designer unless you stay in their time line.

In church they improvise all kinds of boxes and glass ceilings to hold the congregation. I knew a guy that when he was little they would go to his aunt and uncles house for Sunday dinner. His aunt had no kids and didn't like nasty little kids. So when they would eat she would put him in a big cardboard box to eat . She did that til he was 5 yrs. old. He got so he would throw a fit every time they went there and they finally just quit going. Then fast forward when the aunt was in her 70's and had a leg taken off and needed help her only nephew refused to even see her. I guess he still visioned being put in that cardboard box and did not like it. Myself I don't think God likes it when we put him in a box of our making.

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What did God tell Adam about that tree? Did He tell Adam to leave it alone, not to look at it, not to smell it, not to touch it not go near it? Do not eat of it!

What did Eve tell the Serpent they was not to do about the tree? Eve changed it to not to eat of and we are not to touch it!

That gave the Serpent an crack to get in.

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I was wondering, what o you mean by new earthers?

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A little late to the party here. Based on scientific and Biblical evidence, I don't believe in the gap theory. The evidence that Carbon-14 is found in dinosaur fossils, when our scientific knowledge about the half-life of Carbon-14 tells us that all Carbon-14 should be fully degraded after about 100,000 years within dinosaur fossils greatly conflicts with the belief that dinosaur fossils are millions of years old. Also, the fact that dinosaur digs and fossils still smell like "death" is an interesting observation by scientists that conflicts with the idea of them being millions of years old. When I was young, I distinctly remember a scientist being interviewed on the news and asked if they might ever find dinosaur fossils with "soft tissue," and the scientist responded that that would never happen because dinosaur fossils were millions of years old. Well, even with soft tissues and collagen found within recent dinosaur discoveries, some can never change their belief in "millions of years.". But then again, "neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead (Luke 16:31).


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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
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I was wondering, what o you mean by new earthers?


That is the people that think God made the earth in 6 days x 1000yrs per day= 6000 plus something like 4000 yrs plus 2000+ since Jesus. So the earth is only 12,000 yrs old. give or take. That's pretty new and hard for me to believe. The time thing is in the early days of the earth. Can't be convinced the Appalachian mountains got wore down in 12,000 yrs. Its not The Word I have a problem with, its mans interpretation I have a problem with.

There is some differences as to what 2 Peter 3:6,7,8 mean.
Its not something that is as easy as just making stuff up to fit someones ideas.
Kinda like the replacement theology that has been slipped in. The JW's think its all been spiritualized and have themselves all set up to replace the 144,000. Problem is God is not finish with His bride Israel which will be witnesses of the wedding of Jesus and His bride?
I have not studied this in a long time but could in the future, I'm in bean planting right now.

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Fox paw, thanks for clarifying.
I thought the term was young earthers, I would have thought New earthers would be about the restoration after the final throne judgment. A new heaven and a new earth.

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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Is 6,000 years enough time for entire populations to have thrived, died, been forgotten, to have lost technologies, and for almost everything of their existence to have disappeared? 6,000 sure doesn't seem very long when you think of it like that does it?

The world population was approximately 1 billion in 1800.
Now if we had a major event sush as a super volcano eruption, all out nuclear war, a series of major solar flairs causing an emp type scenario. Couldn't that set back our population and technology to the stone age hypothetically. Not to mention the posabilaty of an incurable disease.
We can't know for sure the age of the earth. Being most of us live to be less than 100 years.
So I guess it's up to us as individuals to determine what we believe.
We are taught at a very young age what the world wants us to believe.
So that gives us a pre conceived notion when we think of the age of the earth.
Personally the bible is my authority. And I believe the words of Jesus are recorded correctly.
Jesus spoke of Adam, Jonah, and many others as real peaple.
Jesus is the way, The truth, and the life. In John 6 :63 Jesus said, the words that I speak. They are spirit and they are life.
So how we take that is up to us as individuals.
Pease.

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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Fox paw, thanks for clarifying.
I thought the term was young earthers, I would have thought New earthers would be about the restoration after the final throne judgment. A new heaven and a new earth.


You are right about that, but at least you know where I'm talking about==young earth, lol.

The other thing about those verses in 2 Peter 3:8. Some of them even have it figured out that 1 hr = 41+ years. Those days can't go back past the 4th day when the sun was created. So there is at least 3 days that 2 Peter 3:8 couldn't be talking about in mans time.

Things really sometimes get warmed when discussing the long day when the sun stopped in Joshua. If you go by science they are afraid afraid you are trying to disprove the bible, where they invoke a law of the glass ceiling. One bible study a little ol lady was threatening to hit me over the head with a glass rolling pin if I tried breaking that ceiling with science, lol.

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I was thinking about this mowing. Actually I'm mowing.

If you think that earth is 6000 years old and at the same time admit Jesus was 2000 years ago that makes that only 4000 years. And at that point there we were already another thriving civilization. We know bc we are still part of it. So how many thousands of years did it take us to become that by the year 0? Dont you already acknowledge 1000 years before that, more actualky if you think 6000 years old then we were around. @ -4000 years. And how long ago would a lost society have to be have been forgotten for it to have already been forgotten by then? If they knew how the pyramids were built during Jesus time we would still know how the pyramids were built now. Complete technology lost that nobody still knows how to do today.

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I mean is there a story in the bible about killing all the Egyptians and throwing away their technology?

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^^^^^
The only reset I know of was called the flood, lol!

I just read about Mayan culture change and the reason was---wait for it--------------------yes climate change! They must have been some bad polluters.

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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
I mean is there a story in the bible about killing all the Egyptians and throwing away their technology?


We don't even know all the causes, nor how many times the Library of Alexandria was destroyed. But it seems like many had an obsession with getting rid of knowledge and technology of the time.

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How long to lose technology, you ask? Heck, most city people don't know how to can with canning jars... And most of their parents did it. So, it can take 1 generation to lose technology. You think 6000 years isn't enough time? What was our country just 400 years ago, and look at our population now (over 336 million).


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The pyramids were most likely built by Jewish slaves.

You want to talk about the breakneck speed of technology? Remember Laura Ingalls Wilder, who wrote the Little House on the Prairie books? She flew on a jet plane later in her life.

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Originally Posted by BernieB.
A couple things I am totally convinced of and you'll never change my mind. I have spent the last 40 years studying this.

1) What we see in nature and in humans is not the result of millions of happy little accidents. Especially the beginning of life springing from non-life. That's preposterous. There is evidence of design every where you look and design must have a designer.
2) The Earth as we know it is not as old as so called scientists want you to believe. There is plenty of science that backs up the age of the earth as we know it to be a lot younger than millions of years. There has to be a first man and woman, and I believe the description of the man and woman in the book of Genesis is as accurate depiction as the people who passed along the stories of creation could keep them, down through the eons before there were written languages. I also think the concept of original sin is important to the entire narrative of God's relationship to man through the ages.
3) There is so much evidence of a flood it's not even debatable. The ice age resulted from it, tectonic plate movement was involved with it. The entire climate of the earth changed with it, even people started living much shorter lives. The large reptiles couldn't survive the new climate because of the change in the Ozone layer. Throughout the middle east and even africa, aboriginal peoples have a story about a worldwide flood where their ancestors were saved by building a boat. Were there dinosaurs on the ark? It's actually a very plausible theory that young dinosaurs or eggs could have been saved. Either way, the things that happened to create the flood is a very explainable reason for the end of the dinosaurs.

So many scientists are stuck thinking that what they see today has always been slowly changing and you need millions of years to explain it away, so they throw out any scientific evidence that doesn't fit their preconceived beliefs. The history of the Earth is not the result of millions of years of slow change, it is the result of a series of cataclysmic events. When you realize that, the history of the Bible makes a lot more sense.

I don't know much and I admit I know a lot less than I used to think I did. But there are a small number of these cornerstones I am totally convinced of.

Read about the ica stones or dinosaur stones. [Linked Image]
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These are old and probably carved by man.

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Has anyone ever or known anyone who ate Woolly Mammoth found in the ice. I remember a few years ago they were finding some kind of creature frozen in melting glaciers and were concerned about disease?

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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
Has anyone ever or known anyone who ate Woolly Mammoth found in the ice. I remember a few years ago they were finding some kind of creature frozen in melting glaciers and were concerned about disease?

Is Woolley Mammoth Kosher? smile

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Originally Posted by BernieB.
The pyramids were most likely built by Jewish slaves.

You want to talk about the breakneck speed of technology? Remember Laura Ingalls Wilder, who wrote the Little House on the Prairie books? She flew on a jet plane later in her life.


My grandma and her family came here via a team & wagon from Missouri deep in the hills. Lived to see men in space, unbelievable.

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