Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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A couple things I am totally convinced of and you'll never change my mind. I have spent the last 40 years studying this.
1) What we see in nature and in humans is not the result of millions of happy little accidents. Especially the beginning of life springing from non-life. That's preposterous. There is evidence of design every where you look and design must have a designer. 2) The Earth as we know it is not as old as so called scientists want you to believe. There is plenty of science that backs up the age of the earth as we know it to be a lot younger than millions of years. There has to be a first man and woman, and I believe the description of the man and woman in the book of Genesis is as accurate depiction as the people who passed along the stories of creation could keep them, down through the eons before there were written languages. I also think the concept of original sin is important to the entire narrative of God's relationship to man through the ages. 3) There is so much evidence of a flood it's not even debatable. The ice age resulted from it, tectonic plate movement was involved with it. The entire climate of the earth changed with it, even people started living much shorter lives. The large reptiles couldn't survive the new climate because of the change in the Ozone layer. Throughout the middle east and even africa, aboriginal peoples have a story about a worldwide flood where their ancestors were saved by building a boat. Were there dinosaurs on the ark? It's actually a very plausible theory that young dinosaurs or eggs could have been saved. Either way, the things that happened to create the flood is a very explainable reason for the end of the dinosaurs.
So many scientists are stuck thinking that what they see today has always been slowly changing and you need millions of years to explain it away, so they throw out any scientific evidence that doesn't fit their preconceived beliefs. The history of the Earth is not the result of millions of years of slow change, it is the result of a series of cataclysmic events. When you realize that, the history of the Bible makes a lot more sense.
I don't know much and I admit I know a lot less than I used to think I did. But there are a small number of these cornerstones I am totally convinced of. I'm glad you typed this Bernie. It would have taken me an hour or more. The evidence of a young earth is strong. And the science used to date the millions of years is not true science. There are alot of unexplained things in the fossil record we cannot understand. And science cant explain without observation. The theory of there having been two floods would make sense regarding the fossil record. Some years ago, I was hunting elk in Colorado. We found sea shells near the top of one of the mountains we were hunting. They were so fragile they crumbled in your hand. I put some in my pocket to show some of the guys i was hunting with. But, when I got down, they had all turned to a white powder. There one other guy up there with me and he verified they were sea shells. I pointed them out to him when I found them. How did sea shells get near the top of that mountain?
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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One things for sure. As our Christion leaders and universities continue to ad and subtract from God's word and become more exepting of stange Doctrine. Such as the woke movement, we see our world slipping into a world as in the days of Lott. Exactly. The big question is: How much longer before God's patience runs out? The book, The Late Great Planet Earth is spot on. Written in the 70s, it's accuracy is coming to pass.
I don't watch football, so I don't know who Taylor Swift is, but he sounds fast.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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I have seen sea shells on mountain tops, and sea shell fossils. Even Darwin had serious issues with the fossil record and wrote about how it concerned him. They could have been pushed there by tectonic plate movement when the mountains were formed or they could have been left there by a flood. Get up on top of the mountain in the National Bison range in Montana and you can clearly see the remnants of flooding. Regarding taking the Bible too literally, I have this to say. When I was young I was told that every single word of the Bible is true. As I got older and wiser, I analyzed that statement along with a LOT of other beliefs. Here's one instance: The writer of the book of Jonah said he was swallowed by a great fish. He was almost certainly swallowed by a whale, which is not a fish but a mammal. It has fins, swims in the sea, so to the writer it was a fish. Does this make me throw out the entire story of Jonah? No. I think Jonah died in the whale and was spit out on the third day, which is an important precursor to the coming death and resurrection of Jesus. He's alive because of a miracle. The old testament is full of references to Jesus, some veiled like this one, some very overt. So I can't speak for anyone by myself, but I believe saying we may be taking the Bible too literally is just a way to run away from difficult questions, some of which have answers we may never know. The way I would respond is that these stories in the Bible represent truth. The reason people are so consumed with trying to disprove any kind of creation is because if you do not have creation, you do not have original sin, and there is no need for the death and resurrection of a God/Man to forgive sins. And there is no none to be responsible to but ourselves. Some very complex issues here that are way too deep to cover on a forum like this. On a side note, I was just reading a book last night about history and exploration of the west. The book was published in 1898 by a person who had studied the native Americans for many years. I'll attach a photo of one paragraph. Most tribes on all continents have similar stories of how there was a great flood and their ancestors were saved by building a boat. Coincidence? [b][/b]
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Then there is the Humanist Manifesto. A group of humanists who reject the claim that the bible is the word of God. They are convinced that the bible was written by humans in an ignorant, superstitious, cruel era. They feel the writer of the book lived in an unlightened era. The book contains errors and harmful teachings.
A statement from the Humanist Manifesto is that no God will save us, we will save ourselves.
The bible predicted there would be these people. Jesus said to his followers some will hate you because of me.
I don't watch football, so I don't know who Taylor Swift is, but he sounds fast.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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[quote=PAskinner][quote=Yes sir]Waggler Does a God that has the power to have created everything as you stated have the ability to make his creation look older than it is to mankind? Second question is the linage in the Bible from Adam to Jesus complete ossible in your opinion but welcome more clarification on your stance if u feel called Why would God do that? Sounds like deception.
Did He not mask His identity from the two disciples on the road after the crucifixion? Still making no sense. To what end would God put fakes in his creation?
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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[quote=PAskinner][quote=Yes sir]Waggler Does a God that has the power to have created everything as you stated have the ability to make his creation look older than it is to mankind? Second question is the linage in the Bible from Adam to Jesus complete ossible in your opinion but welcome more clarification on your stance if u feel called Why would God do that? Sounds like deception.
Did He not mask His identity from the two disciples on the road after the crucifixion? Still making no sense. To what end would God put fakes in his creation? See Proverbs 25:2 that I quoted in another post. What if he did it as a gift to those who would later enjoy it? I dont believe they were hidden without actually existing, but I try not to question God's motives either. Job tried that and was humbled pretty quickly. I also happen to lean towards the notion that dinosaurs were real. They could have been a couple different things in my mind, but I believe they were real.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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SP94, I'm not sure how anyone could doubt the existence of dinosaurs? There is simply too much fossil evidence...some being near complete skeletons.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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SP94, I'm not sure how anyone could doubt the existence of dinosaurs? There is simply too much fossil evidence...some being near complete skeletons.
some folks that believe in a young earth would say that because the Bible says humans lived several hundred years, then animals may have lived several hundred years, too, and that dinosaur fossils are just the fossils of lizards that grew big because they lived so long.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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SP94, I'm not sure how anyone could doubt the existence of dinosaurs? There is simply too much fossil evidence...some being near complete skeletons.
some folks that believe in a young earth would say that because the Bible says humans lived several hundred years, then animals may have lived several hundred years, too, and that dinosaur fossils are just the fossils of lizards that grew big because they lived so long. Makes you wonder about Giant Sloths, and Giant beaver, and Giant Sage. would they have kept growing?
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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There's even some fossil evidence of populations of giant humans..not just 1 or 2 individuals......7' plus tall.
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^^^This we know, for the Bible tells us so…..
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Waggler nailed it way back in this thread .
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There's even some fossil evidence of populations of giant humans..not just 1 or 2 individuals......7' plus tall. You have now entered the world of the nephilim! Lots of giant civilizations referenced in the OT. When I realized how many there were the OT became even more interesting to me.
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aggler Does a God that has the power to have created everything as you stated have the ability to make his creation look older than it is to mankind? Second question is the linage in the Bible from Adam to Jesus complete ossible in your opinion but welcome more clarification on your stance if u feel called Why would God do that? Sounds like deception.
Did He not mask His identity from the two disciples on the road after the crucifixion?
Still making no sense. To what end would God put fakes in his creation?
See Proverbs 25:2 that I quoted in another post. What if he did it as a gift to those who would later enjoy it? I dont believe they were hidden without actually existing, but I try not to question God's motives either. Job tried that and was humbled pretty quickly.
I also happen to lean towards the notion that dinosaurs were real. They could have been a couple different things in my mind, but I believe they were real. Gifts? Maybe I'm just dense, but what are you talking about? Whatever one believes about the fossil record, to believe God is playing tricks on us is just wacky.
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SP94, I'm not sure how anyone could doubt the existence of dinosaurs? There is simply too much fossil evidence...some being near complete skeletons.
some folks that believe in a young earth would say that because the Bible says humans lived several hundred years, then animals may have lived several hundred years, too, and that dinosaur fossils are just the fossils of lizards that grew big because they lived so long. This is actually a very interesting and plausible concept. Prior to the flood, the Earth and its atmosphere was totally different than it is now and people routinely lived for hundreds of years, there are a few specific ages even mentioned in the Bible. Because fish and reptiles continue to grow as long as they live, it would stand to reason that if they lived for hundreds of years they could get to be enormous. The bigger they get, the bigger their eggs, etc. Which would explain why there are fossils of huge dinosaur eggs.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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[quote=Swamp Wolf]SP94, I'm not sure how anyone could doubt the existence of dinosaurs? There is simply too much fossil evidence...some being near complete skeletons.
some folks that believe in a young earth would say that because the Bible says humans lived several hundred years, then animals may have lived several hundred years, too, and that dinosaur fossils are just the fossils of lizards that grew big because they lived so long. This is actually a very interesting and plausible concept. Prior to the flood, the Earth and its atmosphere was totally different than it is now and people routinely lived for hundreds of years, there are a few specific ages even mentioned in the Bible. Because fish and reptiles continue to grow as long as they live, it would stand to reason that if they lived for hundreds of years they could get to be enormous. The bigger they get, the bigger their eggs, etc. Which would explain why there are fossils of huge dinosaur eggs. Well according to "science", birds are dinosaurs, so have fun figuring that one out, lol.
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