Interesting article on some of the things we pay for:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/explained-what-can-illegal-immigrants-get-free-united-states

I heard they were flying 30,000 immigrants in a month. So we're paying to fly them here, to be able to give them free stuff.

They're importing voters.

WRONG! The Gov't is importing your replacement. In a Zero Hedge article , they revealed that in the last year all new jobs created went to ILLEGALS this according to Bloomberg News Service. This Invasion is ALL about destroying Western Civilization make no mistake read what is going on in Europe and Great Britian make no mistake it is in it's Infancy here but growing everyday.

It's absolutely planned, we need a plan as well.

Maybe you guys should apply for those jobs?

They are replacing the people who are too fat and lazy to work.

I wish they would replace me.

You best just spend your time on learning to speak Pakistani.

AND/or Chinese!

Or people like you, BOCO;

who are sponging/suckling off of the Canadian/Ontario government teat,
& hiding your supplemental, miscellaneous trapping income,
while you lead a parasitic existence as the wife moocher of
your 1st nation, native Canadian spouse !!!

Tell us what you really think, don't hold back! LOL

All new jobs? Kind of a stretch.

LOL

Since pre-Covid, native born workers have actually LOST 2M jobs. All of the net job gains are immigrants

And who knows how much he's geting making beaver skin Hijabs for the new "Canadian Womens" coming in.

LOL.

If every illegal went back to Mexico this country would be crippled. I'm not saying what's right wrong or indifferent, I'm saying there's already a huge labor shortage, if the US lost that labor force, the economy would fail. Food shortages and starvation would be a reality. Just sayin

In 2023, the US birth rate dropped to a historic low, with a fertility rate of 1.62 births per woman, which is below the “replacement rate” of 2.1.

According to recent statistics, Canada’s birth rate has reached an all-time low in 2022, with a total fertility rate (TFR) of 1.33 children per woman. This decline began in 2009 and accelerated in 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Are you an Illegal Alien, yourself, or do you just hire them
to do landscaping and grow & pick your vegetables ???

Birth rates are plummeting worldwide except Africa(maybe India??)

Bring on the robots!

In layman's terms.... spot on!

Never sponged off anyone a day in my life.Have all my trapping/fur records in my tax files.
Worked since I was a kid and still work today.As do both of my kids.
My Wife also worked all her life until her disability slowed her down.She still volunteers on several boards.
Unlike you crooks,i support my country and province and municipality.

Nice poke. I like your humor. Illegals can work regular jobs on the books just like you and me. They don't get any of the tax money back but they pay the same taxes as us. They'll never see social security but they are funding it. People paint a picture of illegals being a bunch of leaches and welfare families, and I can say that in my 40 years on earth Mexicans take the jobs nobody else is willing to do, like working in the fields. I'm not saying every person coming here has good intentions and I am 100% in favor of securing the border and stopping illegal immigration. There is the other issue of millions of people that have been here for a decade or more working hard, not taking handouts, with zero criminal history, just doing what the rest of us are doing. Are we going to send them back? I agree America has too many freeloaders already, and we don't need to import more. The first thing that has to happen is to stop the illegal immigration, until that happens, anything else is futile.

Yup. Well said

if we had a short term worker visa, say 90 days, then they could come here pick the crops and leave when the work is done. There are solutions if your concern is no American doing some jobs. Altho there are 2 sides to that coin, they also drive down wages and push Americans out of jobs when they work willing off the books for unscrupulous employers.

As far as the tax end of it they get much more in benefits than they pay in, they get hospital care, Pregnant Mexican walks across the border and we pay the fee. They send their kids to school and we pay the bill. Insurance rates are higher due to uninsured motorists.
Any illegal getting involved in the justice system is costing the tax payers. These are all high dollar expenses.

Here is the highlights of a study on the cost of illegals..

"At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $182 billion to cover the costs incurred from the presence of more than 15.5 million illegal aliens, and about 5.4 million citizen children of illegal aliens. That amounts to a cost burden of approximately $8,776 per illegal alien/citizen child. The burden of illegal immigration on U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling, with the gross cost per taxpayer at $1,156 every year.

Illegal aliens only contribute roughly $32 billion in taxes at the state, local, and federal levels. This means that the net fiscal cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers totals approximately $150.7 billion."

Very true. I'm glad you added that, I was thinking about it as I was typing out my argument. I will say the schools are paid with property taxes, so anyone who rents a house or owns property is paying for schools either directly or indirectly. But yes anyone working under the table is not contributing to society, they are takers, just like our politicians

Bill Clinton nixed the worker visa program. How's that for the left being compassionate and caring of the little guy. I grew up on 80 acres of alfalfa and corn, tomatoes, barley, artichokes. The people who worked the fields were on the worker visa program. After it was abolished, they either had to leave or apply for residency. I guess it was an obsolete program since there's millions of illegals and only a hundred thousand migrant workers.

Poor people ( Americans too) usually cost the taxpayers more than the taxes they pay in. We have a progressive tax system and poor people tend to use more government services because they income qualify and generally have kids. Society does benefit from the work that poor people perform.

Hopefully Tommy Robinson (Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon) and Nigel Farage can save Great Britain. I think they should make Tommy king and Nigel Prime Minister. Tommy has shown he is willing to bleed, suffer and if need be, die for Great Britain. He would make a better king then my distant cousin Charles.

I told Diane, Nigel would run as soon as he said he wouldn't. Nigel is a master politician, high game of thrones level. The other British politicians running are terrified of him and know he can crush them mentally and verbally in debate. God save England with Reform UK!

Keith

Who are you calling crooks Bozo?Every American citizen?Ive had about enough of your American bashing.

It must be tough buying off constituencies that don't get along. Blacks and Hispanics. That's likely part of the reason for the shift we're going to witness in November.

Negative!!
Get the people claiming they have a stubbed toe, the Tamica's with 6 chilens , the people that claimed they " hurt their back" but can still hunt/ fish with no problem off the Gov tit.
Sickens me seeing this crap.
And getting more frequent.

Suck it up buttercup.
And I wont stand you bashing Canada.

Boco, you are full of crap. If you think "we" yanno, us idiots, are gonna believe you've never made a $$ without reporting it as income, well,...
But keep on keeping on. Your man queen love those like you.


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He said he was "Well Read" ,,, but I think he meant "In Bred" ,,,and don;t know the difference.

That's nice.

Go get some therapy from Doctor Phil if you cant handle it.LOL.

Or better yet, don't tell lies and try in the disguise of being Mr Goodie Two Shoes.

I never lie cheat or steal.I despise those types.
I am an honest person it is my culture and the way I was raised.
Your problem is that since you worship a lying cheating Philandering felon you think its normal for people to be crooked.

You really think folks would sit around and starve without figuring it out and doing what needed to be done?

We are people who have forgotten how blessed we are. We have lifted ourselves so high we can’t even see anymore the things we believe to be beneath us. A reminder is coming, and a lot of folks aren’t going to be happy when it gets here but, somehow they will recall stories they didn’t think they were paying attention to and begin to put it together, followed shortly by “getting” it together.

You so brave.

I think a good percentage of the population would. As soon as serious food shortages started rolling across the country, many people would resort to looting what was left in a heartbeat. Panic looting.

The cities will be the first to fall....the ones who support this crap.

I guess I’m having a liberal moment here because while I believe the criminal element will certainly be prevalent, the majority of people will figure it out without becoming criminals. lol

Show me the workforce that would replace the field workers, the carpenters, etc. you think America has a population of people willing to work 12 hours a day in the hot sun for minimum wage? Yes I truly believe if every illegal packed up and went back to Mexico in one day, week, month, year, or even five years. The food chain would be broken like we've never seen. COVID should have taught you something about how fragile the supply chain is. Now apply that to food.

Think about America losing ten million workers, half of those workers grow our crops. Yeah, I think this country would be crippled.

85% of Americans live in the city. Most don't have a place to grow a garden or animals and if they did it would be stolen.

2bit, you'll never get far trying to make folks on here understand how things work in the real world. They have a fantasy that American workers if only paid enough, would gladly take all the ag work now being accomplished by migrant/illegal workers. Or that the homeless and welfare spongers could suddenly become productive workers if forced to. Good grief. Some should maybe check in with a few farmers who depend on field laborers how well that works. I know I've tried to hire folks off the street and it flat out doesn't work.

At least deport the MS13 and such filth.

The opposite.
The farmers will fold first,like in the 30s then head en masse to the cities looking for relief.
People living together in related family clans, in remote places that have hunting gathering skills will last the longest.Everyone will have a role and contribute from the young to the old.

The U.S. has a labor shortage even with the current level of illegal immigrants. This became apparent around 2018. So the government lowered the legal immigration cap. Since the U.S. birth rate(Fertility rate) is below replacement the U.S. will not be producing enough home grown workers to meet demand. Apparently, we haven't for awhile. This is nothing new. If you don't want so many illegal immigrants, raise the cap. If you don't want immigrants, good luck with that.

Excellent article on immigration here,,,,

https://www.profstonge.com/p/does-the-economy-need-migrants

"Factors Contributing to the Labor Shortage
Early retirements and an aging workforce

As of October 2021, the pandemic drove more than 3 million adults into early retirement. In all, the number of adults 55 and older being detached from the labor force due to retirement grew from 48.1% in Q3 of 2019 to 50.3% in Q3 2021.

Additionally, the share of older individuals within the U.S. population is steadily increasing, and it’s likely this trend will continue. This shift is partly attributable to the fact that younger generations are having fewer children compared to their predecessors, resulting in a progressively older, and diminishing population.

Net International Migration to the U.S. is at its lowest level in decades

U.S. Census Bureau data shows that net international migration to the U.S. only contributed to a 247,000-person increase in the U.S. population between 2020 and 2021. Compared to the prior decade’s high of a 1,049,000 increase in our population between 2015 and 2016 due to immigration, the impact that immigration has had on U.S. population growth dropped by 76%."

Source U.S. Chamber of Commerce

I hear that a lot.But only from YOU.Hahahaaaaaaa

Plenty of kids around here would love a job close to home but the government has made it impossible to hire them to pick and pack produce.

Other than being yelled at for not wearing a mask in a store I was not affected by Covid.

Anti immigration/anti liberalism/anti woke parties are crushing it today in the EU election’s

France has called a snap election

It’s refreshing!!

"WASHINGTON -- Are there too many foreign-born physicians working in the U.S., or not enough? Members of one House subcommittee appear to be strongly divided on the issue.

"Today, approximately 200,000 foreign medical graduates work as physicians in the United States," Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said Tuesday at a hearing on immigrant physiciansopens in a new tab or window held by the committee's Subcommittee on Immigration and Citizenship. "Immigrants account for more than 50% of physicians practicing geriatric medicine, approximately 40% of those practicing critical care and internal medicine, and nearly one-quarter of those practicing general medicine.""

Immigrants can solve the problem created by more immigrants.

"Doctors were more likely to be foreign born than other health care professionals, researchers report in JAMA.
About 29 percent of physicians were born in other countries, and almost seven percent were not U.S. citizens, the study found.
Roughly 24 percent of dentists were immigrants to the U.S., and four percent were not citizens.
Among pharmacists, 20 percent were born elsewhere and almost four percent were not citizens.
And 16 percent of registered nurses were immigrants; three percent were not citizens.
Slightly more than 23 percent of home health, psychiatric and nursing aides were born outside the U.S., and almost nine percent were not citizens, the study also found."

Yeah it's hard to find a white doctor nowadays but I keep looking until I do.

SS is on the edge of insolvency. Let's rack up some more social programs.

I don't care what race or nationality my doctor is
as long as they are medically competent at their specialty.

What I do require is that they have the practiced ability to
speak & annunciate in good, proper, understandable English.

I have a tin ear for understanding poorly spoken,
foreign accented, pigeon English.

If on a telephone, you can forget me hearing
& understanding foreign accented English.

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Beds ‘n’ meds is where the money is at,,,

Immigration drives down wages

Not hard to figure out


The Belgian PM just resigned because of today’s EU elections

Native born folks have had enough

Big day!

Examples of Wage Push Inflation

A government increases the minimum wage, leading to higher labor costs for businesses.
Labor unions negotiate higher wages, resulting in increased production costs for businesses.
A country experiences a period of rapid economic growth, leading to a shortage of skilled workers, which drives up wages and increases production costs.

Other than being yelled at for not wearing a mask in a store I was not affected by Covid.
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You haven't been affected by inflation? The inflation we are experiencing right now is a direct result of the shutdown that lasted 2 months. That was four years ago. Now apply that to food.

Those 'people' just need to be exterminated.

You contribute a lot of really solid even keeled facts.

There are close to 50,000,000 foreigners living in the US, if they were all expelled, there would not be a housing or medical practitioner crisis. I am not recommending expelling them all. Any getting public assistance need expelled. Any committing even minor crimes need expelled. Any that that are sick need expelled.

If we feel obligated to help them, It's cheaper to help them in their own countries.

Keith

Your statistic is incomplete. How many of those 46.2 million foreign born people are citizens? Permeant residents?
My entire family on my father's side are foriegn born . They've been here since 1959 and came here legally as refugees from the acores. They are part of the statistic you quoted.

50 million non citizens. Once someone becomes a citizen, they are no loner a foreigner. They are an American.

Keith

"An analysis of the Census Bureau’s monthly Current Population Survey (CPS) from January 2022 shows that the total immigrant population (legal and illegal) in the U.S., hit 46.6 million — the highest number ever in American history. Immigrants are also referred to by the government as the “foreign-born”"



"In the United States, the United States Census Bureau defines foreign-born as “anyone who is not a U.S. citizen at birth”, which includes persons who have become U.S. citizens through naturalization but excludes persons born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents."

Foreign born is different than a foreigner. Americans can be foreign born. Foreigners are foreign born people, who are not US citizens.

I have seen several estimates, that say the foreign population is much higher due to illegal aliens who were not apprehended.

Keith

Ever won a bet (any kind) and not reported it?

Here's where the first 2 word of this post comes into play.

We are doing just fine, but thank you for being concerned.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you Kieth. The statistic clearly states 46.2 foreign born people living in the United States. Anyone can Google it.

Hobby trapper, sir we've been discussing a hypothetical situation and I guess things went a little off course. I'm glad you're doing good. Thanks * edited as to not sound like a jerk.

10-4.

Hypotheticals are really best guesses, but still guesses. It’s okay that we disagree. Starvation is an excellent motivator , it’s why I believe produce isn’t going to rot on the vine just because people doing it now would up and leave.

It is also my belief that government regulations would be ignored on a large scale.

No problem. I do think saying "close to 50,000 million" and 46,200,00 is the same thing. The latter number is just a guess and an estimate after all.

I do think we need more immigrants. I just don't think we need the bad ones. There's lots of people in other countries, who would fit in well here and become productive members. Uneducated people from cultures that believe it's okay to abuse women, should not be allowed in the US.

Keith

Build the wall and deport them all. They are illegally here and criminals. Change the laws if workers are needed so quality people who are a benefit to America are allowed in only.

Really not a terrible strategy and really is the way it's always been done. I know of people who had to go back and do it the right way. They could have stayed and done it, but it would have cost a lot of money

I wasn't arguing about the number, but I'll leave it be. I think any level person would agree immigration is a good thing if done properly, and a secure border is critical to a nations sovereignty.

or are drunks and crack heads

"What is the economy of a country
The economy of a country refers to the system of production, distribution, and trade of goods and services within a country or region. It is a complex web of production and consumption that determines how resources and capital are allocated. The economy is a vital aspect of a country’s well-being, as it affects the standard of living, employment, and overall prosperity of its citizens."

I want to see this experiment tried. I want to see all these workers that are living in basements start doing all those jobs. I think the US is short 2 million workers now. Lets ramp that up.

"Long-term Implications of Labor Shortages
In the long term, staffing shortages could slow down GDP growth, cause a recession, and hamper the growth of industries with predominantly blue-collar jobs and manual workers. "