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Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161896
06/27/24 03:25 PM
06/27/24 03:25 PM
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Armpit, ak
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The funny thing is when the State was trying to do Wolf Control programs the bunny huggers (or biologist) would blame the bears. We went with it, and said," You're right!" "We should be killing them too." They should be happy. They made the case. smile



" And for years, advocates focused entirely on wolves. Research has shown that in virtually all cases where moose are heavily impacted by predation, bears are at least as important as wolves in limiting moose numbers."

Vic Van Ballenberghe 2006

Last edited by Dirt; 06/27/24 03:32 PM.

Who is John Galt?
Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161900
06/27/24 03:32 PM
06/27/24 03:32 PM
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40 years Alaska, now Oregon
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Where to begin? Dirt touched on most of the things the Department would object to, as would enforcement.
These cullings are a directed predator reduction operation. It is NOT hunting in any way.
Dirt is correct in suggesting ALL BEARS in these areas, as well as wolves, will be killed.
Also, access to these areas is difficult, weather dependant, and EXPENSIVE.
There are a limited number of suitable aircraft available in this remote area, and most landing places will require either a cub on tundras, or a float plane.
And as for harvest numbers, assuming non-resident hunters, un-guided, having never hunted grizzly bears, or persued anything in that Godforsaken lake/pond filled, tussuck laden, mosquito infested landscpe, that requires shelter that must withstand hurricane force winds, lets assume a very generous 25% success rate.
That means dropping around 400 shooters on the ground, pretty much within 3-4 days. Then monitoring them and picking them up, as the weather allows.
And remember, most of these bears and wolves will have poor hides of little value, and non-residents will not be allowed to sell hide or skull. Both however will require sealing and preservation.
There's more, but this should give pause to the idea that simply cutting loose a bunch of people wanting to bucket list a grizz is a good idea.
And yes, I have hunted the area, more than once. Last time was when the drastic crash was under way, partly due to hoof rot.

Last edited by alaska viking; 06/27/24 03:33 PM.

Just doing what I want now.

Re: Caribou protection [Re: alaska viking] #8161947
06/27/24 05:25 PM
06/27/24 05:25 PM
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Delta Junction, Ak.
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Originally Posted by alaska viking
Where to begin? Dirt touched on most of the things the Department would object to, as would enforcement.
These cullings are a directed predator reduction operation. It is NOT hunting in any way.
Dirt is correct in suggesting ALL BEARS in these areas, as well as wolves, will be killed.
Also, access to these areas is difficult, weather dependant, and EXPENSIVE.
There are a limited number of suitable aircraft available in this remote area, and most landing places will require either a cub on tundras, or a float plane.
And as for harvest numbers, assuming non-resident hunters, un-guided, having never hunted grizzly bears, or persued anything in that Godforsaken lake/pond filled, tussuck laden, mosquito infested landscpe, that requires shelter that must withstand hurricane force winds, lets assume a very generous 25% success rate.
That means dropping around 400 shooters on the ground, pretty much within 3-4 days. Then monitoring them and picking them up, as the weather allows.
And remember, most of these bears and wolves will have poor hides of little value, and non-residents will not be allowed to sell hide or skull. Both however will require sealing and preservation.
There's more, but this should give pause to the idea that simply cutting loose a bunch of people wanting to bucket list a grizz is a good idea.
And yes, I have hunted the area, more than once. Last time was when the drastic crash was under way, partly due to hoof rot.


Great post, considering what I've seen from lower 48 moose and caribou hunters it would be a horrible idea to allow them to hunt grizz/ brownbears without a guide.


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Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161965
06/27/24 06:03 PM
06/27/24 06:03 PM
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I thought most of you Alaskans are from the lower 48.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161987
06/27/24 06:35 PM
06/27/24 06:35 PM
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They have freedom to move about.


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Re: Caribou protection [Re: Boco] #8162001
06/27/24 06:45 PM
06/27/24 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
I thought most of you Alaskans are from the lower 48.


Yup,

My five years in Alaska convinced me that >80% of the state's
alleged "residents" were poser "Cheechako" imported refugees
from the "Lower 48" and not true, Alaska born "Sourdoughs".

99% of true born Alaskans are the Indigenous, native, 1st nations people.

Not only that, but most non-native white "residents" of Alaska
are snowbirds who flee the state for the lower 48 come winter
to places like Hawaii, Arizona, Washington, & Oregon.

They summer habitate in Alaska long enough each year
to get their Permanent Fund check & then they haul arse !!! laugh

*****DISCLAIMER***** I apologize for agreeing with OCOB !!! laugh

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Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8162023
06/27/24 07:26 PM
06/27/24 07:26 PM
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All my children and grandchildren are true born Alaskans. None of them are sourdoughs yet. None of them have lived in this frozen wasteland longer than me. smile


Who is John Galt?
Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8162112
06/27/24 09:03 PM
06/27/24 09:03 PM
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Guilty, here. Moved to Alaska, (Kodiak), in 1982. Then Juneau in 1985. Moved to Southern Oregon , (tiny un-incorporated community of Keno), end of last September, for medical reasons.
I will miss my beloved Alaska.


Just doing what I want now.

Re: Caribou protection [Re: Trapper7] #8162358
06/28/24 08:57 AM
06/28/24 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
How about 81 more wolves

At least take out that many in MN to stop our dwindling population of deer. MN DNR seems to be afraid of the wolf lovers since they lie about the number of wolves in MN.

Ya I have no idea why you guys can't hammer wolves down there. We can trap and power snare them up here on a regular trapping license -couple of my buddies hit them hard each year

Re: Caribou protection [Re: Guss] #8162374
06/28/24 09:37 AM
06/28/24 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
How about 81 more wolves


Originally Posted by Guss
Should of been 2k wolfs.


What's described is sound practical wildlife management, and it works. It shouldn't be mistaken or interpreted as a wolf annihilation program. That is exactly why the wolf advocate groups resist any reasonable wolf management in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan. For wolf management to ever be acceptable people need to understand that there are reasonable positions between total protection and kill them all.

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